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Posted on 2/18/11 at 7:36 am to
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 7:36 am to
i can see the gym regimen (working out and taking in 3K calories) working for someone that is trying to knock off about 25 pounds overall .. but for the guy that wants to take 80 to 100 pounds off .. i can't see them sustaining that pace long enough to lose that weight working out and taking in that many calories ... maybe i am wrong .. but i don't see it ..

think about all these wonder diet pills and diet powder you can sprinkle on your food that you see advertised .. the one thing they advertise is that you can eat what you want and as much as you want .. but in the end it is ALL about calories and creating a deficit ... there are 3500 calories in a pound of body fat .. the average person burns about 2400 calories a day on their own .. you just have to burn more calories than you take in ... that's why nutrisystem is still around and it works for people .. that stuff is just about portion control and calorie counting .. sure .. they advertise a meal that has lasagna, bread, and chocolate cake .. but the portions are tiny .. it just teaches people how to eat ..
This post was edited on 2/18/11 at 7:41 am
Posted by TigahRag
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 7:43 am to
you must also not be taking in as many carbs as you used to also .. your body is going to burn that for energy before it burns fat .. when you deplete the body of carbs, then it goes into ketosis and uses the straight fat for energy ... i have seen people do what you are and take in 3K in steaks, chicken, fish and veggies a day and work out .. only thing is that stuff is murder on your from a cholesterol standpoint ..
This post was edited on 2/18/11 at 7:44 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 8:14 am to
red meat isn't nearly as bad for you as we've been lead to believe.

257/207.8/185
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 8:23 am to
one of the guys I ride with talks non stop about eating the while time. we'll be 2 hours in on a3 hour ride and he's already talking about the double decker cheeseburger he's going to reward himself with when we're done. I don't get it...he's already mentally in a place where he will gain weight after a 3 hour ride
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 8:38 am to
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you must also not be taking in as many carbs as you used to also ..

That's entirely possible, but I'll never know. I never counted carbs so I can't compare. I do know that I'm eating a lot of foods that are better for me, even though they may have calories. Egg whites, fruits, vegetables, and yes meat. It's a very high protein diet at this point. It seems like I'm eating all day.

But yes, it's all about calorie deficit. My body is turning into a calorie burning machine I'm thinking.

My whole goal of the 1500 calorie/day diet I put myself on was to get to the point so I could do this program. If I had tried this exercise a few months ago when I was 270 lbs I probably would have killed myself.
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 8:40 am to
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I don't get it...he's already mentally in a place where he will gain weight after a 3 hour ride

Reminds me of an interview I saw with Michael Phelps during the last olympics. They talked about his diet and it was sickening almost. Tons of fast food, pizza and the sort. But, he spent most of his day doing laps in the pool so his calorie deficit was huge.

I guess if you can burn it off, you can eat just about anything.
Posted by SW2SCLA
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 9:10 am to
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Michael Phelps


I heard he burns up to 30,000 calories in some of his more intense training sessions. No wonder he can take bong rips and eat fast food in his off time
Posted by Lester Earl
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 1:09 pm to
Lost 3lbs this week! Worked hard. Down to 217 from 220
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 3:32 pm to
Great job Lester!

323/207.0/185

Made the mistake of buying wasabi peas last night. I have trouble with portion control with those and wasabi almonds.

I moved them away from the computer after my second portion.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 4:14 pm to
midday weigh-in..206.3 after 52 miles in the 53x12 gear

supposdely that will help make my legs stronger but holy crap i could barely turn the gears over on some of the steep climbs..

i can barely move..frying a ribeye in an iron skillet yep, its started raining and i dont feel like grilling in the rain considering i can barely stand as it is.
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 9:45 pm to
quote:

206.3 after 52 miles

Great job on both numbers! I can't fathom riding 52 miles.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/18/11 at 9:56 pm to
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Great job on both numbers! I can't fathom riding 52 miles.


its not as impressive as it sounds..especially with hills there's alot of going downhill where you're not pedaling. tn isn't pancake flat like baton rouge was so that keeps things interesting.

but yeah..my nickname is bike whore if that tells you anything i guess i'm a little obsessed
Posted by TigerMyth36
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 6:47 am to
Damn water shift!

323/208/185



I know, I know. It isn't real weight gain but that doesn't make it any less frustrating.

I'll get caught up with you soon enough Cad!
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 7:53 am to
257/207.7/185 you're essentially where I am myth..I'm happy to hit the 50lb milestone!
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 8:39 am to
I need to jump on board with you guys.. I don't even know my real weight though, last time I weighed I was 330.. that was about a year ago..

I need a big boy scale for my home, any recommendations/pricing? Most home scales don't go over 300..
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 9:41 am to
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Hulkklogan

welcome. we're here to help. everyone started in a similar place as you, you're a year away from being a new person.
Posted by yungtigr
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 9:45 am to
304.5/267.6/220



Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 10:42 am to
Thanks for the welcome! Forgo to mention I'm 6'3 also, not that it has any real effect.

I'll give you guys a perspective into my daily life:

wake up 7 AM, shower, then eat
Breakfast:
Usually consists of oatmeal, grits, or cereal and an orange or apple (whatever fruit I buy)

Get to work at 8:30, first break at 10:30. This snack normally is a couple of handfuls of lightly salted roasted almonds or something like that.

Lunch is at 1, I'll either bring something from home that I cooked for dinner the night before or eat a can of Chunky soup, I keep those in my desk. Maybe twice a week I'll eat fast food, typically Subway (a footlong, usually eat half and then the 2nd half on my 2nd break) but I do go get whataburger or Cane's or something sometimes too.

2nd break and snack is 3 PM, same as 1st break, then I get home around 6 PM and usually eat dinner around 7. Typical dinner is 2 turkey sandwhiches (cheese, mayo, mustard) or 1 with some chips. When I cook it's normally spaghetti, baked chicken, chicken breast cooked in various ways, hamburger, or from time to time I cook a roast (rice and gravy).

I have an 18 oz. water bottle that I usually drink 2-3, sometimes 4 of these a day of water. Only ever get soda when I eat fast food besides subway.

I've been doing this for the past month and haven't noticed any difference except in my appetite has seemingly decreased. I work tech support so I'm at my desk all day long, not much walking around. Obviously adding exercise will go a long way, and I plan to sign up with the BREC gym ($30/month and no contract) off of the intersection of college/jefferson and start doing that after work. But what, besides cutting out eating out at all (because I know that needs to stop), can I do to improve what I'm eating?
This post was edited on 2/19/11 at 10:49 am
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 2/19/11 at 12:27 pm to
Hulk..great analysis. I can spot the problems right away..subway, soup (loaded with sodium), pasta, etc.

I STRONGLY recommend you give Atkins a try for 2-3 weeks. Weigh yourself today..and then see what happens in 3 weeks.

There's a ton of pro/con for atkins..but the one thing nobody argues is that you'll drop a significant amount of weight initially on it. More than anything else, this should motivate you to keep going.

Ok, couple of other things. Gym is great..you should definitely consider joining..but might I advise something a little easier in teh beginning? Find a route..in your building even perhaps..where you can work stairs and a good deal of walking in. Do this 'tour of duty' wheenever you get up to go to the bathroom. Its not as invasive as having to change clothes and workout (and shower) at lunch and with the addition of the stairs (try multiple flights) you're effectively doing a type of interval training..which is the most effective way to burn calories..without really making a concious effort to get in a mindset to go to the gym. This is MUCH MUCH easier to do long term..especially in the beginning..and probably more effective than a gym membership at the moment.

Ok, back on to your eating habits. I have a few suggestions you might have a tough time with initially, but you will realize just how much better off you are with some slight changes:

1. ditch the soup for lunch. in fact, try mentally getting into a state where you dont feel like you *HAVE* to have a big lunch.

2. ditch eating out..at least for the 3 weeks you're doing atkins. eating out is the worst way to sabotoge any weight loss program.

3. try mentally getting into the mindset that you'll have a good dinner when you get home and dont HAVE to have a big lunch. in fact, i got to where a package of peanuts or protein shake would suffice. if you absolutely can't do without eating something, try your best to make something yourself that doens't include processed ingredients.

4. with atkins..you can go home and eat TWO RIBEYES if you like. seriously. the weight will come off even if you're eating 2lbs of meat a night. whats the trick? you have to give up the bread and other carbohydrates or this wont work. you're in 'ketosis' which means you've put your body in a state where you starve it of simple carbohydrates (by not eating any) and it forces it to burn fat.

5. when ketosis happens, get ready for stinky breath, stinky poops and drink shitloads of water. ketosis is NOT IN ANY WAY harmful, but your body will throw a kiniption fit initially when you shock it this way..the good news is that it will also shed massive amounts of fat during this period.

6. drink lots and lots of water..especially when you're in ketosis this water will flush fat, waste ande poisons out of your system like gangbusters.

7. what can you eat on atkins? as MUCH AS YOU WANT of the following

- eggs, fish, chicken, red meat..* (*grilled..do not eat fried chicken or breaded meats..in fact, stick with cooking the meat yourself to ensure there are no hidden carbs or bad stuff) ..key word here is PROTEIN PROTEIN PROTEIN


- butter, cream, cheese, sour cream* (*limit cheeses to some degree..its very dense calorie-wise so you dont want to overdo it..also hard cheeses have fewer carbs than processed or soft cheeses)

- berries (strawberries, blueberries, blackberries)..great with whipped cream..speaking of which buy the RICH whipped cream..it has fewer carbs..if you have the patience making your own with heavy cream is better since you can skip the sugar and susbsitute splenda)

- beef jerky, pork rinds (yep!), almonds!!! almonds are a super healthy food..macadamias, pecans, mixed nuts..just dont go too crzy on the nuts

- mayo and mustard is fine..avoid ketchup because its basically flavored corn syrup.

- limit the amount of bacon and hot dogs due to the nitrates and nitrites..but yeah this is ok too.

what do you have to give up? sugar in all its forms whether its high fructose corrn syrup, potatos/potato chips, white flour or in soft drinks

8. speaking of soft drinks..yep..i'm gonna recommend you chill on these. learn to appreciate coffee and water..lots of water. not only are soft drinks (even diet ones) counterproductive to dieting..the phosphates even in carbonated water can cause calcium deposits..ie KIDNEY STONES and those are not fun.

9. its hard to give up bread i know..especially since so much of what we consume involves white bread or rolls or flour..but again..you can do anything for 3 weeks..and personally if i had to make a choice between a grilled ribeye and a slice of wonder bread..well thats a no brainer.

10. buy a multivitamin and be RELIGIOUS about taking it every day. by upsetting the apple cart and dramatically changing your eating style, you want to have consistent vitamins and minerals. the #1 issue i had with atkins was cramps from lack of potassium..again almonds are an EXCELLENT source of potassium so make sure you're eating plenty..plus the wasabi and chili lime versions from blue diamon are freaking delicious.

good luck! alot to digest at one time..but you have to dramtically change what youre doing to shock your system into dropping weight..doing the same thing but trying to cut back a little 'here and there' simply won't work.
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