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Posted on 5/11/11 at 3:08 pm to Hulkklogan
What foods are high in calories but low in fat?
frick a carb. I burn those off quick. And after reading some, I will not take in any carbs at night now.
frick a carb. I burn those off quick. And after reading some, I will not take in any carbs at night now.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 3:17 pm to pwejr88
quote:
What foods are high in calories but low in fat?
frick a carb. I burn those off quick. And after reading some, I will not take in any carbs at night now.
Fat in general is a high calorie substance, so finding low fat foods that are high in calories isn't that easy. If you eat low carb (~50/day, mostly veggies and fruits) and go with lots of proteins (and thereby increasing your fat intake), you can reach 1500-1800 cals easily. You will see your weight drop quickly. Eat steaks, ground beef, pork. Dark meat chicken with the skin.
Low carb, high protein/fat is largely the P90X nutrition plan as well. There are great merits to limiting your carb intake.
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 5/11/11 at 3:51 pm to Hulkklogan
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No.. not really. Not if you are following the 2002 DANDR book. 2 weeks of induction, longer if you want but he recommends 2 weeks and then doing OWL and training yourself what's good and what's not.
I would bet anything that Atkins would have suggested you stay in induction longer. Once again,that is the main weight losing stage. The other stage is slow as hell weight loss.
You can stay in induction for up to six months. If you want to see big weight loss, induction is where you will see it, not OWL. Plus in OWL it is too damn easy to fall out of ketosis.
Induction really isn't hard to stay on. In fact I find it much harder once you start adding more foods into the diet than induction.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 4:39 pm to pwejr88
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What foods are high in calories but low in fat?
frick a carb. I burn those off quick. And after reading some, I will not take in any carbs at night now.
not all calories are created equal. here's what a friend of mine who specializes in sculpting the body and getting those last 10lbs off has to say about what you're consuming:
Posted on 5/11/11 at 4:40 pm to CAD703X
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I'll read those studies you referred to. Have my evening clients soon and have to get ready for them.
A quick response to what you have noted. My comments, on the surface, does indeed seem contradictory. However, it is not when you delve deeper. In my short time at this gym, I quickly became the defacto expert that the so-called "experts" (ie other trainers) went to for advice. This made me both respected and somewhat despised (which is understandable). These two gals gave me the run down of their nutrition intake, exercise regime, etc. And I also witnessed their lifestyle choices. For the most part, they were in a negative caloric balance yet it was these stubborn areas (the glutes for one and the midsection for the other) that they simply could not resolve.
It was ultimately the choice of the type of calories they were taking in that contributed to this. One drank too much; the other popped too much over-the-counter uppers (so-called fat burners). Alcohol and stimulants led to ramifications they could not or would not grasp. They also needed to alter their macro-nutrient profile to be custom tailored for them.This, in addition to the fact that they chose the wrong type of workouts (too much cardio and not enough proper strength training) resulted (or should I say 'result' because I doubt they wised up) in physiques that are better than average but short of what they desperately want.
It is this last 3-5 pounds that they simply could not drop. This led to the classic mistake which Einstein defined as insanity: "doing the same thing over and expecting a different result."
The club manager actually hired me to train her (the other just asked me questions on the sly or put on her rabbit years whenever I was with a client). She would not take my advice in terms of dropping the fat burners, strength training more (real strength training, not this body pump nonsense), and changing her macro-nutrient intake. And what is good is knowledge if you do NOT apply it...? Her results, obviously, were dismal, I got blamed, and she went back to her "magic" pills and endless cardio.
If you refer to my first post, it talks about two hypothetical individuals of same age, background, activity level, sleep, etc. If they both stay under their maintenance calories, sure they'll both lose weight. But if one eats junk and the other eats clean there will be a difference in how they look to the discerning set of eyes. And there will certainly be a difference in how they perform in their sport (not that body pump and zumba is a sport; no, not by a long shot).
Every trainer has a niche. Mine is taking people to a level deemed improbable or even impossible by themselves and other trainers. In such scenarios, precision often makes the difference between results (and a purchase of more training sessions as well as referrals) and almost-but-not-quite (unemployment).
I frequently read your posts and admire and respect the rationale behind it. My comment was to help others see this topic from a slightly different perspective.
Regards,
Andy
PowerStrengthFitness.com
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This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 5/11/11 at 4:40 pm to CAD703X
here's the original response he was replying to:
Originally Posted by sdeeer
Originally Posted by sdeeer
quote:
For the sake of arguement, I think you have contradicted yourself in a sense (correct me if I am wrong). You state the law of thermodynamics for weight loss and then cite three examples where people 'should' be in negative EB, but are not losing weight due to poor food choices and not calories. I would argue that it is not the form of the energy that they are eating, but still the amount or total energy over time. Their dis-reagard for form of calories often makes it easy to overconsume energy. While it is harder to overconsume 'quality' foods (veggies, whole grains, lean meats, etc.)
Unless they were losing weight but not the problem fat. In that case it is likely related to their macronutrient composition and potentially exercise form.
I do agree that macronutrient and micronutrient composition, timing, and energy balance of the overall diet are crucial parts to optimal performance as well as maintaining performance during weight loss.
I however think that for the most part, (many) high (milage/time) endurance athletes will need some 'junk' calories in their diet to meet their energy needs and will not sufer an performance loss nor a health consequence.
Have you read the acedemic debate between Fineman and Schoeller regarding theromodynamics and the 'is a calorie a calorie?' topic? It is entertaining and usefull if you have not.
LINK
LINK
There are other comments and articles related to these two as well.
Posted on 5/11/11 at 4:51 pm to TigerMyth36
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I would bet anything that Atkins would have suggested you stay in induction longer.
Possibly. Nowhere in his book does he recommend staying on induction longer than 2 weeks, he just says it's an option. Yes, I just went looking through chapter 12 to look up and find if he encourages it
He goes onto a story about a guy that wanted to lose 170 lbs and he stayed in induction for a few months. Then says to keep in consideration that induction doesn't have to be 2 weeks. quote:
In fact I find it much harder once you start adding more foods into the diet than induction.
I'm not so sure. Not for me anyway. I get so bored eating the same thing every meal, over and over and over. I don't really like string cheese so naturally after a while I can't tolerate it anymore as a snack, and there's not much else I can have as a snack on induction (that lasts anyway, I could buy veggies but they would go bad quickly at work). I like being able to cook things from a low-carb website and have some variety.
That said, I know induction is the quickest weight loss. I'm ready to get to 320, so I'm strongly considering induction after I get paid. Damn glasses bankrupted me so I can't afford anything
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 4:53 pm
Posted on 5/11/11 at 4:59 pm to CAD703X
this conversation got started because i was defending the fact i am a bike racer who follows a low-carb diet and it works for me..i can keep my energy level up for 100 miles without bonking or the constant need to 'replenish' my carbs by sucking down honey or bananas or snickers bars. this gives me an advantage when passing through 'feed zones' as i dont have to slow down and grab a bag and stuff food in my pockets...i just keep going.
sdeer mostly agrees with me (we're in the extreme minority of bike snobs here..they love to follow tradition and hate on anyone doing things different) and he's got some pretty good research studies that back up his position.
andy is a madman trainer who works with cyclists as well as individuals at the gym.
sdeer mostly agrees with me (we're in the extreme minority of bike snobs here..they love to follow tradition and hate on anyone doing things different) and he's got some pretty good research studies that back up his position.
andy is a madman trainer who works with cyclists as well as individuals at the gym.
This post was edited on 5/11/11 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/11/11 at 5:39 pm to CAD703X
Thanks guys!
Posted on 5/12/11 at 6:31 am to pwejr88
170/154/150 (2/28/11 3rd commit)
still no exercise due to rhino tusk being full of shmegma, but reached another low. Having a planned cheat for lunch (Mom's B-day so no guilt).
still no exercise due to rhino tusk being full of shmegma, but reached another low. Having a planned cheat for lunch (Mom's B-day so no guilt).
Posted on 5/12/11 at 7:38 am to Benchwarmer
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still no exercise due to rhino tusk being full of shmegma
tmi dude
Glad I don't have that problem.
363/332/250
Lots of fluctuating. I hope a loss comes tomorrow, if not I won't be weighing in til Tuesday.
This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 5/12/11 at 12:32 pm to Hulkklogan
Just about all the carbs are out of the fridge. Tomorrow should be day 1 back on Atkins. Should take a day or two for the carbs to clear my system and I will be on induction and full hermit mode.
No more goofing off. Time to get that 185 mark taken care of.
No more goofing off. Time to get that 185 mark taken care of.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 1:22 pm to TigerMyth36
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Just about all the carbs are out of the fridge. Tomorrow should be day 1 back on induction. Should take a day or two for the carbs to clear my system and I will be on induction and full hermit mode.
fify, Atkins =/= induction
This post was edited on 5/12/11 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 5/12/11 at 3:14 pm to TigerMyth36
c'mon myth. post the number. i aint skeert.
i'm 195 so you gotta be better than me at least.
i'm 195 so you gotta be better than me at least.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 4:59 pm to CAD703X
190.5 but falling back to my low of 188.2 soon.
I got my blood work done and I was more than a little pissed.
Everything was up a little bit. My doctor said all the numbers were fine but I was pissed to see things up instead of down.
My numbers could be skewed a bit because I haven't been in ketosis in months so I have been eating too many carbs along with lots of fat so that combination is bad.
I'm going to be under 20 carbs for 3 months then go back and get the blood work done again.
I could be one of those people that their body doesn't agree with low carb.
As I said, my blood work is fine, just slightly elevated from the last time I had it checked. :(
I got my blood work done and I was more than a little pissed.
Everything was up a little bit. My doctor said all the numbers were fine but I was pissed to see things up instead of down.
My numbers could be skewed a bit because I haven't been in ketosis in months so I have been eating too many carbs along with lots of fat so that combination is bad.
I'm going to be under 20 carbs for 3 months then go back and get the blood work done again.
I could be one of those people that their body doesn't agree with low carb.
As I said, my blood work is fine, just slightly elevated from the last time I had it checked. :(
Posted on 5/12/11 at 5:03 pm to Hulkklogan
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fify, Atkins =/= induction
True, but with his red beans and rice diet, he wasn't doing Atkins or induction. Therefore, he was correct in stating that he was getting back on Atkins.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 6:19 pm to BhamTigah
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True, but with his red beans and rice diet, he wasn't doing Atkins or induction. Therefore, he was correct in stating that he was getting back on Atkins.
Unless I misread, he didn't say red beans and rice, he just said beans.. which are legal in OWL, particularly pre-maintenance (which is where he would be if he was following the book) and maintenance.
Posted on 5/12/11 at 8:30 pm to Hulkklogan
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True, but with his red beans and rice diet, he wasn't doing Atkins or induction. Therefore, he was correct in stating that he was getting back on Atkins.
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Unless I misread, he didn't say red beans and rice, he just said beans.. which are legal in OWL, particularly pre-maintenance (which is where he would be if he was following the book) and maintenance.
Timeout, for a bean debate
okay
continue
this board is sometimes more entertaining than the OT.
CT, its just an observation not my usual conrollling behavior
Posted on 5/12/11 at 9:59 pm to Hulkklogan
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Unless I misread, he didn't say red beans and rice, he just said beans.. which are legal in OWL,
You read right. No rice although I did have another period where I did eat the beans with a small amount of rice last year.
Beans aren't outlawed but the amount I was eating was more than I should be eating. You can't get the benefit of Atkins if you are out of ketosis from eating too many carbs which I was.
As I stated a few days ago, I have been getting lazy and I have been bending the diet to my WANT instead of doing what I needed to do.
I've been a bit pissed and disheartened by the damn blood work but my doctor said everything was great and to keep it up but he never says anything dire. I could probably walk in with multiple bone fractures sticking out of my leg and he would probably pump me full of sunshine.
My brain was in the mood to have a Taco Bell binge, but I've learned in the last year that a Taco Bell binge certainly wouldn't make my blood work better........
But it sure would taste great.
Oh well, back on the induction saddle and FULL Hermit mode.
My blood work isn't where I want it but at least I can kick Cad's arse to 185 and then again to 175.
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