re: PuttaDaForkDown v2.0

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So as you can see, Hormones can crash easily do to the combo of extreme low cals, low fat and low carbs. Its a 3 headed sledge hammer on your bodies functions but it also has the same effect on body fat...

Honestly the only real differences ... fast can be run longer than 10 days without being a threat to lean tissue where after 10 days on the fat fast, the studies from the 70s show you start to lose muscle with fat. Also the fat fast tends to not slow down metabolism or throw off the hormones as much.

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I've begun my dive. I think my confusion lies with the context. That was why I asked about low carb and caloric.

The catch for me, is when overeating to an absurd level (3k-5k calories) on zero carbs and not putting on much weight, if not losing weight, and how that relates to what leptin is doing while eating that way.

^ I think that is what I am searching for. But, alas, I want to read the Bromocriptine book too, as well as others. I am digging it so far.

Or is it leptin simply telling us "we're good" and ghrelin saying "eat because I need to" probably this

Why does hunger decrease and fasting made easier by switching to lowering carbs? and how does leptin perform in that manner.

Live feed questions in Bromocriptine...

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What your body ’decides’ it can do is going to be based on how much energy it has available. And how much bodyfat you have is a major determinant of how much energy you have stored. A signalling system that ’tells’ your body and brain how much bodyfat you have makes perfect sense; ... That’s what leptin is, the signalling system (well, the primary signalling system) telling your body what the status of your energy stores is.

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So if I am overeating zero carbs, does leptin say "we are good on the energy intake, maybe we can release some of this stored fat" - because I believe we store fat for usage in the case of starvation, aka emergencies, and if we aren't in an emergency, why carry so much around? (caveat, I know you are trying to low this, so our goals aren't the same - my goals being not overweight one bit while being "fit enough")

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Gain bodyfat and your brain knows about it because of the increase in leptin. Lose bodyfat and your brain knows about it because of the decrease in leptin. In fact, it was originally thought that leptin only ’told’ your brain how much fat you had, and controlled appetite in response to changes in bodyfat. But it’s actually more complicated than that. It always is.

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My question here would be, what if I eat zero carbs and don't store fat, but lose it, but leptin must be high enough because of my dietary intake of fats and me never being hungry?

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The point is that your brain has a pretty direct connection with not only your bodyfat stores, but how much you’re eating, all via changing leptin levels. In essence, leptin ’tells’ your brain two things: how much bodyfat you have, and how much you’re eating (11). How much you’re eating determines the short-term changes in leptin levels; how much bodyfat you have determines the long-term changes in leptin levels.

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I am trying to find the study cited, but only get more cites and not the actual study.

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Losing weight/fat beyond a certain point scares your body and your brain, which thinks you re starving to death, and everything slows down to compensate. I told you before but this seems a good time to repeat it: your body hates you.

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I know his audience here are people looking to drop down below 10% or so. I would love to know the "setpoints" and plateaus people go through and what causes this for average people looking to lose. Maybe this is the body getting use to the lower overall insulin levels, then saying "ok, I'm still safe, I can still release this extra fat (emergency fuel)." - The theory that overweight people can't tell that they have all that excess energy reserves (fat) and their body is telling them to eat more because they are (in reality) malnourished.
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I found this while asking myself some questions
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Studies regarding the association between carbohydrate intake and concentration of lepton have been reached to contradictory results. It seems that protein intake can increase the lepton activity.

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Though they just reviewed 35 other studies.

Which helped me in searching google, finding a protein power article.
Leptin Low Carb and Hunger

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Research done a couple of years ago in St. Louis and in Japan pinpointed the problem. Triglycerides – fat circulating in the blood – interrupts the passage of leptin across the BBB. If trigylcerides are high, which they are in most obese people, then, basically, they block the movement of leptin into the brain. So, leptin levels are elevated in the blood, and triglycerides keep the leptin from getting to where it needs to get to shut off hunger. (click here for the abstract and full text of this research paper.)

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We all know that the commonest lab finding in people following a low-carb diet is a dramatic reduction in triglyceride levels. This reduction in triglycerides allows the leptin that is already circulating in relatively large amounts to get through to the brain where it can reduce hunger. I believe that this reduction in triglycerides (which happens fairly quickly) is the primary reason that people substantially decrease their hunger on low-carb diets. And remember from the graphic above that leptin – once it gets to the brain – actually increases thermogenesis as well, which means that the metabolic rate increases.

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So, the triglyceride reduction from following a low-carb diet does does double duty when more leptin gets to the brain: hunger goes down and metabolic rate goes up. That duo increases weight loss. Is it any wonder that low-carb diets virtually always manhandle low-fat diets in terms of weight loss in all of the studies in which they are compared? And it it any wonder that when people are allowed to eat an ad lib low-carb diet, they always consume fewer calories than those consuming an ad lib low-fat/high-carbohydrate diet?

Carbohydrates cause triglycerides to increase. All of Dr. Dean Ornish’s studies have shown that subjects following his ultra-low-fat/extremely-high-carbohydrate diet find their triglycerides screaming upward. It’s no wonder that most people have difficulty sticking on his diet or any low-fat/high-carb diet for very long without a lot of hand holding, behavioral therapy, meditation and the rest of his total program. People following these Ornish-like nutritional regimens are sabotaged by the elevated triglycerides that these diets cause. Consequently, they are always hungry. And sooner or later, they give in to their hunger.

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Ok, trigs decrease under low (no) carb conditions, allowing leptin to cross the blood brain barrier and telling the body to stop eating. Leptin levels rise in the brain telling us to reduce hunger feeling.

So what is the reason for reducing calories so much and only keep protein high at the expense of crashing your hormones? Is targeting the insulinogenic effect of protein and to keep the carbs out to maintain the metabolic efficiency of burning fats the goal?

I know you are trying to get a low body fat %.

It isn't that I disagree with anything Lyle states as it relates to a SAD or "balanced" diet. Under that context, what he is say is correct. I don't see the reason to crash hormones besides the targeting of the insulinogenic effect of protein, which is a very hard process to achieve in of itself.

I rambled too much,

I just ate a bunch of soups, gumbo, and chili. No rice though. But for $5 it was a great value!

At 3am? Nice! Fun night?

How's your weekend going?

Jealous!!

Just go stand in your yard and swing 112 times, and light $50 on fire.

Boom.....golf

I'm gonna drink more than a few when this is over.

I have a feeling there's gonna be some pain involved today.

Practice?

Tennis > golf

I practice more than I actually play. That is pretty dumb. I need to stop GAF about sucking & just have fun being frustrated.