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re: Piling on Wine - Is Wine bullshite? (link)
Posted on 6/25/13 at 10:23 pm to Stadium Rat
Posted on 6/25/13 at 10:23 pm to Stadium Rat
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Wow. You're an arse.
Because I got your number.
Maybe I am an arse. I'm not retarded though.
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Posted on 6/25/13 at 10:49 pm to Stadium Rat
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Wow. You're an arse
Posted on 6/25/13 at 10:53 pm to Stadium Rat
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Stadium Rat
Yeah, it's the wine drinkers that are a bunch of idiots.
Please, start another thread about which pizza chain is the best....
Do you really dislike wine? You realize wine drinkers don't care if non wine drinkers don't like wine. We are comfortable with and enjoy experiencing wine without your support. Why the hate???
Posted on 6/25/13 at 10:56 pm to Stadium Rat
While I'm not a big wine fan nor am I impressed with the variety there is definitely a difference.
Go to a wine tasting place like W.I.N.O and it's pretty easy to tast and see what you like or don't like.
That being said.... Beer is more complex and superior in just about every way.
Go to a wine tasting place like W.I.N.O and it's pretty easy to tast and see what you like or don't like.
That being said.... Beer is more complex and superior in just about every way.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 11:03 pm to Oenophile Brah
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You realize wine drinkers don't care if non wine drinkers don't like wine. We are comfortable with and enjoy experiencing wine without your support.
Yep.
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Why the hate???
Inferiority complex. A rather unfortunate state indeed.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 6:29 am to Rohan2Reed
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Seems like there's a trolling element at play here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 6:35 am to s14suspense
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hat being said.... Beer is more complex and superior in just about every way
No doubt.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 6:57 am to BigDropper
I'm of the opinion that wines are so variable you could have a terrible $5 wine and $30 wine. I do think overall the more expensive wines will be better than cheaper counterparts but it depends on so many variables it is really hard to compare.
I mean a harvest in one year in one part of the world could be exceptional so even the cheap wines from that region are amazing while another part of the world has a terrible harvest so all of their wines that year are bad.
I mean a harvest in one year in one part of the world could be exceptional so even the cheap wines from that region are amazing while another part of the world has a terrible harvest so all of their wines that year are bad.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 7:10 am to polizei11
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I'm of the opinion that wines are so variable you could have a terrible $5 wine and $30 wine. I do think overall the more expensive wines will be better than cheaper counterparts but it depends on so many variables it is really hard to compare. I mean a harvest in one year in one part of the world could be exceptional so even the cheap wines from that region are amazing while another part of the world has a terrible harvest so all of their wines that year are bad.
Price is driven more by the size of the vineyard than a determining factor of it being better or not. Other factors drive price like what the market is willing to spend on it and public perceptions, but being more expensive certainly isn't the determining factor in whether wine is better or not, or not In my experience at least. I've had numerous 10 dollar bottle of wines that I much preferred to 20 dollar bottles of wine.
This post was edited on 6/26/13 at 7:24 am
Posted on 6/26/13 at 7:39 am to Oenophile Brah
I actually agree with the study.. Not because I have a problem with wine drinkers, but because I think humans are easily "fooled" by our preconceived beliefs.
Sure, you can go to a wine tasting bar and have different red wines, each of which are a different price and have completely different tastes. But I'd bet if you told someone a $7 glass of wine costs $50, they would have a much higher opinion of it than if they knew the real price. It's fairly blatant to me.. We are all susceptible to this.
Has anyone here actually tried a taste test of several different kinds of wine, and seen if they could pick out the expensive ones?
Sure, you can go to a wine tasting bar and have different red wines, each of which are a different price and have completely different tastes. But I'd bet if you told someone a $7 glass of wine costs $50, they would have a much higher opinion of it than if they knew the real price. It's fairly blatant to me.. We are all susceptible to this.
Has anyone here actually tried a taste test of several different kinds of wine, and seen if they could pick out the expensive ones?
Posted on 6/26/13 at 7:43 am to Mike da Tigah
I agree with you. I wasn't really speaking about how they price each bottle but rather the taste of the cheaper wines and the $20+ bottles based on certain years. I never trust the ratings and rather just read the back of the label to see if the description fits what I am looking for (if I have never tried it before).
I have my favorites in the $10-$15 range for everyday drinking and $15-$30 range if I want something for a special occasion. I do think my favorites in the $15-$30 range are better than the cheaper counterparts but that is no way indicative the expensive > cheap wines and rather just my tastes.
I have my favorites in the $10-$15 range for everyday drinking and $15-$30 range if I want something for a special occasion. I do think my favorites in the $15-$30 range are better than the cheaper counterparts but that is no way indicative the expensive > cheap wines and rather just my tastes.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:03 am to Mike da Tigah
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See the pattern developing here?
Loved your post.
I'm not sure all of that applies in real life, but it sure as hell applies on this message board.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:09 am to Mike da Tigah
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Price is driven more by the size of the vineyard than a determining factor of it being better or not. Other factors drive price like what the market is willing to spend on it and public perceptions, but being more expensive certainly isn't the determining factor in whether wine is better or not, or not In my experience at least. I've had numerous 10 dollar bottle of wines that I much preferred to 20 dollar bottles of wine
I think all agree with this, but it isn't unique to wine. The title,
quote:probably was a bad choice.
Is Wine bullshite?
Is anything in life perfectly valued?
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:14 am to notiger1997
I'm a novice wine drinker. I don't have the ability to discern unique flavors in a wine and describe them the way pros do. I can identify a Chalk Hill cab from a $9 bottle of Zin every single time. Wines aren't the same by any stretch, but they are highly personal, as to what a drinker likes. And of course, some of those "pros" are not so much...this is a billion dollar industry...there's plenty of room for and money to attract charlatans and fools.
This post was edited on 6/26/13 at 8:15 am
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:15 am to Stadium Rat
I might consider you less of a troll if you came up with better thread titles.
What kind of response are you really expecting with a question of "Is wine bullshite"?
What kind of response are you really expecting with a question of "Is wine bullshite"?
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:31 am to OTIS2
I will say, in my experience, the more expensive the wine, the smoother and easier it is to drink. You get less of an alcohol bite. Doesn't necessarily mean it tastes better but it does go down easier.
I think its mainly due to age of the more expensive wines while cheaper wines are generally 1-2 years old.
Good discussion.
I think its mainly due to age of the more expensive wines while cheaper wines are generally 1-2 years old.
Good discussion.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:51 am to OTIS2
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I'm a novice wine drinker. I don't have the ability to discern unique flavors in a wine and describe them the way pros do.
I actually had the pleasure of sitting down with one of the few master sommeliers in this country once. He owns vineyards in California and although it most certainly didn't transform me into a wine connoisseur by any stretch, I did come away with something very helpful coming from such a respected pro, and that was that when tasting wine, there really isn't a right and wrong with the flavors you discern. Everyone's palate is unique to themselves. There are things with looking at wine and judging it that are helpful in determine quality and what you should be looking for, but for the most part, it's always a study, and the person who appreciates wine is forever a student, in much the same way someone who cooks is always a student of the art. For such a respected man as he is in wine, I found his humility and grounded perceptions to be very refreshing as I thought I would surely be raked over the coals for making a wrong comment about what I was discerning. Not in the least. A very passionate fellow who dispelled the myths about wine people being snooty, and truthfully fed my fire for learning more about it.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 8:56 am to notiger1997
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I might consider you less of a troll if you came up with better thread titles.
What kind of response are you really expecting with a question of "Is wine bullshite"?
Not my line. It was the title of the linked article.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 9:56 am to TheIndulger
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I actually agree with the study.. Not because I have a problem with wine drinkers, but because I think humans are easily "fooled" by our preconceived beliefs.
Sure, you can go to a wine tasting bar and have different red wines, each of which are a different price and have completely different tastes. But I'd bet if you told someone a $7 glass of wine costs $50, they would have a much higher opinion of it than if they knew the real price. It's fairly blatant to me.. We are all susceptible to this.
Almost across the board, people underestimate how much they are affected by marketing.
Posted on 6/26/13 at 10:15 am to Cold Cous Cous
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people underestimate how much they are affected by marketing.
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