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Piling on Wine - Is Wine bullshite? (link)
Posted on 6/25/13 at 7:54 pm
Posted on 6/25/13 at 7:54 pm
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A 2008 paper in The Journal of Wine Economics, for example, found that when consumers are unaware of a wine’s price, they “on average enjoy more expensive wines slightly less [than cheap ones].” Experts do not fare much better. The study could not conclude that experts preferred more expensive wine: “In sum, we ?nd a non-negative relationship between price and overall rating for experts. Due to the poor statistical signi?cance of the price coef?cient for experts, it remains an open question whether this coef?cient is in fact positive.”
In another experiment, critics tasted one red wine and one white wine. They described the red in language typical of reds and the white in language typical of whites. The problem? Both were identical white wines; the “red” had been tinted with food coloring.
Another study looked at the accuracy of the influential 100 point scale invented by wine critic Robert M. Parker Jr. By having judges at a tasting rate the same wine multiple times, retired statistician and hobbyist winemaker Robert Hodgson found that the judging was completely inconsistent:
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Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:02 pm to Stadium Rat
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In another experiment, critics tasted one red wine and one white wine. They described the red in language typical of reds and the white in language typical of whites. The problem? Both were identical white wines; the “red” had been tinted with food coloring.
I'd like to see this actual study because that makes absolutely no sense. Go get a Cabernet and a Chardonay, blindfold yourself and taste them. They aren't even close. Would you be able to tell the difference between a coke and a sunkist? That's how big the difference is. I could tell the difference and I'm far far far from an expert. I drink only a few glasses of wine a year. These critics must have no taste buds at all.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:03 pm to Stadium Rat
quote:Potent American retailers and European vinters have been complaining about this for awhile now.
Another study looked at the accuracy of the influential 100 point scale invented by wine critic Robert M. Parker Jr. By having judges at a tasting rate the same wine multiple times, retired statistician and hobbyist winemaker Robert Hodgson found that the judging was completely inconsistent:
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:09 pm to Stadium Rat
I don't understand the butthurt people have over folks who enjoy wine and are able to talk and describe favors and even free associate when talking about their personal take on a certain wine.
Seems like there's a self-conscious element at play here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both.
Seems like there's a self-conscious element at play here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both.
This post was edited on 6/25/13 at 8:10 pm
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:10 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Seems like there's a self-conscious element at okay here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both.
it´s the beer drinker, R2R, it´s the beer drinkers.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:12 pm to Stadium Rat
Don't care. Drank wine.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:14 pm to Winkface
That's how I imagine you treat your husband. 
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:16 pm to Al Dante
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I'd like to see this actual study because that makes absolutely no sense. Go get a Cabernet and a Chardonay, blindfold yourself and taste them. They aren't even close. Would you be able to tell the difference between a coke and a sunkist? That's how big the difference is. I could tell the difference and I'm far far far from an expert. I drink only a few glasses of wine a year. These critics must have no taste buds at all.
I'd say this is slightly different from blindfolding the reviewers. Instead of removing sight as one of the senses, the experimenters decided to deceive the test subjects by dyeing the white wines so that they looked red. I would imagine that the appearance of red wine interfered with the tasters' other senses.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:16 pm to Dandy Lion
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quote: Seems like there's a self-conscious element at okay here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both. it´s the beer drinker, R2R, it´s the beer drinkers.
I drink a fair amount of both, and I have an educated enough palate to distinguish different flavored in both. shite! Maybe I'm special
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:20 pm to BRgetthenet
Not every night.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:29 pm to Rohan2Reed
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I don't understand the butthurt people have over folks who enjoy wine and are able to talk and describe favors and even free associate when talking about their personal take on a certain wine. Seems like there's a self-conscious element at play here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both.
That's not just with food and wine, but with a lot of things in life as a rule. People get mad when they don't understand something, or don't identify with it., but rather than become interested and go on a quest of their own, they ridicule others.
Like wine? Snob
Like fine dining. Pretentious
Like dressing nice? Trying to be better than others
Dress different from them? Hipster
Like organic food or sustainable gardening? Hippie.
And all are almost certainly liberal, and most definitely gay.
See the pattern developing here?
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:29 pm to Stadium Rat
I drink wine bout every week and I have many favorites under $20. This discussion doesn't effect me because I'd really never pay over $25 for a bottle.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:34 pm to Mike da Tigah
Not that it's so black and white, Mike, but you are pretty spot on there. It's quite transparent and obvious too most times. People need to open their minds and step outside their comforts zones. Or at least have the maturity to not judge people who do. Maybe it stems from their own insecurities about not being able to or being too lazy to try.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:34 pm to simbo
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I drink wine bout every week and I have many favorites under $20. This discussion doesn't effect me because I'd really never pay over $25 for a bottle.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:35 pm to simbo
dubble bubble
This post was edited on 6/25/13 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 6/25/13 at 8:57 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Not that it's so black and white, Mike, but you are pretty spot on there. It's quite transparent and obvious too most times. People need to open their minds and step outside their comforts zones. Or at least have the maturity to not judge people who do. Maybe it stems from their own insecurities about not being able to or being too lazy to try
I'm gonna link you to this post next time I see you in a MeridianDog thread
Posted on 6/25/13 at 9:04 pm to simbo
quote:IMO. There is some good stuff out there at 25.00. For sure.
I win cheap wine.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 9:35 pm to Stadium Rat
We did an experiment like this @ lineup once. Replaced a bottle of Peju with the box wine from the kitchen. Every server failed. Some very enjoyable wines can be purchased @ Trader Joe's for under $12... Only the people preoccupied with status quo are opposed to buying/drinking cheap wine.
Posted on 6/25/13 at 10:20 pm to Mike da Tigah
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I don't understand the butthurt people have over folks who enjoy wine and are able to talk and describe favors and even free associate when talking about their personal take on a certain wine. Seems like there's a self-conscious element at play here among the folks who think every single wine in the world tastes the same and people who think different are snobs or full of shite or both.
That's not just with food and wine, but with a lot of things in life as a rule. People get mad when they don't understand something, or don't identify with it., but rather than become interested and go on a quest of their own, they ridicule others.
Like wine? Snob
Like fine dining. Pretentious
Like dressing nice? Trying to be better than others
Dress different from them? Hipster
Like organic food or sustainable gardening? Hippie.
And all are almost certainly liberal, and most definitely gay.
See the pattern developing here?
Wow. You're an arse.
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