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Noble Wave no longer coming to Baton Rouge
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 11/28/17 at 12:11 pm
BRBR Article
Citing restrictions on beer sells and distribution.
They are moving to Oregon instead.
I swear, this state is so backwards its not even funny.
The amount of regulation in business is stifling and only serves to line the pockets of the status quo. It's un-American.
Citing restrictions on beer sells and distribution.
They are moving to Oregon instead.
I swear, this state is so backwards its not even funny.
The amount of regulation in business is stifling and only serves to line the pockets of the status quo. It's un-American.
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Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:05 pm to Salamander_Wilson
i worked in the Legislature for 3 years while I was in Law School. The Beer and Liquor distributors provide free booze for all of the parties, and have such a firm lock on those guys that nothing will ever get passed unless it benefits them. It's sad, but that is how shite works down there. The only group with a firmer hold on the legislature is the LFF.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:31 pm to Salamander_Wilson
Having just returned from North Carolina, this story really irks me. NC has a ton of breweries and their resurgence has basically revived the economy of some parts of NC, which used to rely heavily on manufacturing. I can only guess that NC's regulations are far less stringent than LA's. This state is a fricking joke a lot of the time.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 1:46 pm to Motorboat
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This state is a fricking joke a lot of the time.
+1
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:00 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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They are moving to Oregon instead.
Im not saying that their reason for not opening here isnt true because I will be the first to tell you how fricked up and stupid the laws regarding alcohol are here but dont you think Oregon sounds a lot more appealing for a new brewery than BR, LA?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 2:16 pm to LSUcdro
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dont you think Oregon sounds a lot more appealing for a new brewery than BR, LA?
If this is the reasoning why wasn't Oregon option #1 from the beginning?
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:04 pm to LSUcdro
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dont you think Oregon sounds a lot more appealing for a new brewery than BR, LA?
The competition is much greater in Oregon. You have to be really good to stand out here. For example, Block 15 is an outstanding brewery in Corvallis, but only the beer geeks know about it, outside of Corvallis.
Having said that, you can succeed as a local brewpub even if you have mediocre offerings. Oregonians like local businesses. Also, Salem is probably the best city in Oregon to start a brewery because there are only about 5 or 6 breweries there now, and none of them are standouts, IMO.
They can be successful locally, but to blow it up in Oregon will be tough.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 3:39 pm to LSUcdro
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dont you think Oregon sounds a lot more appealing for a new brewery than BR, LA?
Probably way more difficult to succeed in Oregon, whereas good craft beer has little competition in BR. Every state has it's own laws though, and distributors always have lots of money to influence, but some states are just more progressive.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 5:31 pm to Mung
The beer lobby in Louisiana has always dictated whatever they want since prohibition.
If people want change they have to get involved and run for office and make changes. It can be done but most people don’t want that problem. Younger people getting involved politically is the only way anything will happen.
This board watched, live streamed the city council crap with the COA and complained and laughed at Gravy, the two crazy white gals, all the uptight blacks at the meeting and got pissed when Barbara Freiberg cast the deciding vote to allow the tax.
Instead of going to the meeting and letting your voice be heard all just post here. Tired of it ? Stand up and change it.
If people want change they have to get involved and run for office and make changes. It can be done but most people don’t want that problem. Younger people getting involved politically is the only way anything will happen.
This board watched, live streamed the city council crap with the COA and complained and laughed at Gravy, the two crazy white gals, all the uptight blacks at the meeting and got pissed when Barbara Freiberg cast the deciding vote to allow the tax.
Instead of going to the meeting and letting your voice be heard all just post here. Tired of it ? Stand up and change it.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 6:25 pm to Salamander_Wilson
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The owners now plan to take their concept to Salem, Oregon, which they say has a “best-in-class regulatory environment” and an unsaturated craft beer market, among other things.
It is unsaturated but it's also Salem. I can't stand that city or pretty much that entire area.
Posted on 11/28/17 at 9:42 pm to LSUintheNW
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It is unsaturated but it's also Salem. I can't stand that city or pretty much that entire area.
Nothing interesting about Salem. Except it's on the way to Corvallis/Eugene/Bend/Crater Lake. However, the best brewery in Salem is, what? Santiam? It is definitely a better opportunity than most places in Oregon. I mean, Hood River has 8K people and just as many breweries as Salem does at 20X the size. And Hood River's breweries are way better. Actually, just about everything about Hood River is better than Salem, but I digress...
Posted on 11/28/17 at 10:15 pm to Salamander_Wilson
Mixed feelings about this one. The regulatory structure is certainly difficult, but it's not impossible. Their best bet was to model themselves like Courtyard, a business that's doing well enough to be hoping to open a second location. Instead, Noble Wave tried to be something more, it sounds like they wanted to be Courtyard-Plus and be able to distribute more broadly. If they wanted to distribute more broadly, then make yourself more like a traditional brewery. They tried to create a niche model and it failed. There are successful craft brewery models in Louisiana, it's not the State's responsibility to approve every hybrid model that is outside what already exists. It'd be great for craft brewery in Louisiana, but states can't be everything for everyone.
They sound like school kids who can't get *everything* they want, so they are taking their toys to another playground to be around more "like minded" people. I wish the regulatory structure here was better, but to say you can't be successful in Louisiana because of the structure is to spit in the face of places like Courtyard and Great Raft/Parish/others. With that, I'm sorry the the regulations suck, but good riddance.
Beer opinion reminder: Parrish here with two R's, so please dont confuse me with the Andrew and Parish Brewery.
They sound like school kids who can't get *everything* they want, so they are taking their toys to another playground to be around more "like minded" people. I wish the regulatory structure here was better, but to say you can't be successful in Louisiana because of the structure is to spit in the face of places like Courtyard and Great Raft/Parish/others. With that, I'm sorry the the regulations suck, but good riddance.
Beer opinion reminder: Parrish here with two R's, so please dont confuse me with the Andrew and Parish Brewery.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 6:56 am to Salamander_Wilson
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Citing restrictions on beer sells and distribution
No way they said "beer sells"
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:13 am to Parrish
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If they wanted to distribute more broadly, then make yourself more like a traditional brewery.
Then they wouldn't be allowed to also be a pizza place like they wanted. And (I don't know if this was part of their plan or not) they wouldn't be allowed any guest taps or liquor/wine.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:23 am to Parrish
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it's not the State's responsibility to approve every hybrid model that is outside what already exists. It'd be great for craft brewery in Louisiana, but states can't be everything for everyone
No, but bought-off politicians in this case have devoleoped and refuse to update existing laws that now restrict small business.
Louisiana is supposed to be a conservative, pro-business State, no?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:44 am to ragincajun03
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No, but bought-off politicians in this case have devoleoped and refuse to update existing laws that now restrict small business.
Louisiana is supposed to be a conservative, pro-business State, no?
Then run for office or back someone who will make the changes you would like to see. That’s how to create change. Too many people just sit on the couch and complain.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 7:45 am to Parrish
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it's not the State's responsibility to approve every hybrid model that is outside what already exists.
1. This is stupid logic.
2. What's the official reasoning that it's not allowed? We all know the real reason is distributors and lobbying, but they can't come out and say that.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:33 am to Mung
Baton Rouge will never become the city it could be
The whole Baton Rouge city government needs to be rebuilt from ground up. City has terrible traffic, no easy transportation, and no vibrant scene with things to do that attract people to move here.
The whole Baton Rouge city government needs to be rebuilt from ground up. City has terrible traffic, no easy transportation, and no vibrant scene with things to do that attract people to move here.
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:37 am to Martini
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Then run for office or back someone who will make the changes you would like to see. That’s how to create change. Too many people just sit on the couch and complain.
How do you know that some who complain about these issues haven’t done any of the above that you suggest?
Posted on 11/29/17 at 8:51 am to nicholastiger
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Baton Rouge will never become the city it could be
No city in LA will be. Other cities/areas around the south are revitalizing and transforming themselves.However that's not happening here and I don't see it ever happening.
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