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re: My son wants to go to culinary school. Where should he go?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 6:11 pm to magildachunks
Posted on 9/29/24 at 6:11 pm to magildachunks
What restaurants or is that info not allowed?
Posted on 9/29/24 at 6:58 pm to Badmug
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I can’t speak as to which school might best suit his needs, but I’d strongly suggest he at least visit the CIA’s main campus in Hyde Park.
That’s where my dad went. Things are diff now. Remember, it’s not the same as getting a college degree.
There were some positions he would get looked over for someone with a degree when he got older and was looking to move into more Sr positions.
When that happened he went back into business for himself. It’s why he really pushed me to get my degree and not go into food. I got my degree and went into the food industry anyway. Just as an accountant, haha.
But my dad seriously is the best chef I know. I’d put him up against anyone. He’s won many awards for his Louisiana dishes, has been on tv and before I was born he ran a fine dining restaurant.
CIA is the best if you go that route. Have no idea the costs now compared to the 70s.
This post was edited on 9/29/24 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 9/29/24 at 7:17 pm to Alika_kahuna
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I'm going to suggest a whole different angle on this. Ever thought of the military? T
I started to say this too.
Military cooking is a very technical business with a strict deadline for everything they do. Military Hospital cooking is a big deal and only their best people get there.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 7:33 pm to MeridianDog
quote:Not a bad idea. A former student is still in the Coast Guard as an culinary specialist. He's been in since 2015 and just made E-6. Makes a livable wage.
Military cooking
Need an 85 ASVAB to be a culinary specialist in the Army or National Guard. They make pretty good salary too.
Posted on 9/29/24 at 9:11 pm to NBR_Exile
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He is in College Station now
What? You want Big City? WTF do you think "The George," is? There is so much money in College Station it's stupid, and he can't find a way to prep green beans? Has he run fries at *bullshite chicken joint that is not Cane's?"
CIA has been well known for taking a shite ton of money to "train" people to not earn much. Yet, central Americans somehow show up and julienne potatoes if yelled at the right way.
He's trying to get laid at your expense.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 4:19 pm to NBR_Exile
I worked in restaurants over 10 years from HS until after I was married through college and then a second job until I had money for a house saved up.
Most good culinary schools don’t take people without experience, from what I remember anyway. You generally need a recommendation and some experience, think about it they don’t want completely green people.
The path to being a chef/ owner is usually to work your way up in restaurants then once you get to a decent place, go to culinary school. Then go to really nice places in big cities until you can be a head chef or own your own gig.
I highly doubt he can’t get a job as a dishwasher, it’s not a highly sought after job. I don’t know the particulars, but I would absolutely not pay for school for him until he has 2-3 years of experience.
Working in a restaurant is 99% crappy work like prep, line cook, and dishes and 1% glorified chef work. It takes hours and hours of prep to make most meals.
Most good culinary schools don’t take people without experience, from what I remember anyway. You generally need a recommendation and some experience, think about it they don’t want completely green people.
The path to being a chef/ owner is usually to work your way up in restaurants then once you get to a decent place, go to culinary school. Then go to really nice places in big cities until you can be a head chef or own your own gig.
I highly doubt he can’t get a job as a dishwasher, it’s not a highly sought after job. I don’t know the particulars, but I would absolutely not pay for school for him until he has 2-3 years of experience.
Working in a restaurant is 99% crappy work like prep, line cook, and dishes and 1% glorified chef work. It takes hours and hours of prep to make most meals.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 4:26 pm to LemmyLives
Look OP, I wasn’t far from your son somewhat lost in college. It sounds like he didn’t get into TAMU or UT and he refused to go somewhere else, so he could go with his friends and go the juco route to hang with friends and he is taking boring classes at community college and not doing well. It happens to a lot of people.
Paying for school here is really not a good solution imo. He needs to do something like the military or get field work until he finds his way. Construction, work in a kitchen, etc. Or transfer somewhere that’s not Juco where he can get his hands dirty doing something he enjoys.
A lot of young men have to find the path they want to find the motivation to put in the class work to get there. School is a very far cry from actually working in a kitchen or owning your own small business based on food. Food service and hospitality is very very long work and very long hours at the shittiest times of the day, usually very early morning or evening.
Paying for school here is really not a good solution imo. He needs to do something like the military or get field work until he finds his way. Construction, work in a kitchen, etc. Or transfer somewhere that’s not Juco where he can get his hands dirty doing something he enjoys.
A lot of young men have to find the path they want to find the motivation to put in the class work to get there. School is a very far cry from actually working in a kitchen or owning your own small business based on food. Food service and hospitality is very very long work and very long hours at the shittiest times of the day, usually very early morning or evening.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 4:38 pm to MeridianDog
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See if Robert St.John in Hattiesburg would be willing to meet with him. The guy understands the business and likes to help people.
This. Guy owns most of the popular restaurants that aren't chains in Hattiesburg. Super nice and friendly.
but also this:
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f there is any way, he needs to work in the field now to make sure he is willing to take the abuse and workload in that business. If you want to be successful it can't be a 9-5 40 hour a week job
realistically he doesn't even NEED the CIA. Plenty of Michelin star chefs just took a few courses, got a good set of knives and just went and asked to stage at great restaurants (he'll likely have to do some of that anyway not only for CIA but for when he actually gets a job somewhere and works his way up). That is going to be the best way to determine whether or not he really loves it enough to pursue it. Try to get him on for some basic knife work courses, then try to get him on at a great restaurant and let him work there for a year. If he likes it, tell him to keep working there until he loves it. If he never grows to love it, probably best to skip culinary school and find an actual passion
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 9/30/24 at 4:48 pm to BhamTigah
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f he wants to go the experience route, I would pull that 529 money and send him to a country with an interesting food scene to learn, then come back and open a food truck serving that cuisine. Less pressure than a restaurant kitchen and he could work for himself much earlier in life.
This is actually great advice whether he wants to work/own a restaurant or whether he wants to do a food truck. Getting out there and going to Italy, to France, England, etc. is a great way for him to grow as a person and as a chef if he truly wants to make a career out of it.
If he goes into it humble, willing to learn and willing to take a lot of shite (that's not personal even if it feels like it) then he'll get plenty of experience that should make him successful. He'll have some rough years of shite pay, having no life, but if it is what he's passionate about it, then don't half arse it. He'll thank you later for it
Posted on 9/30/24 at 10:04 pm to NBR_Exile
He needs to get a dishwashing job, Austin would be a good place. He needs to tell the back of house manager he wants to eventually get on the line.
While working as a dishwasher, if he has time off, he needs to read and watch videos - learn knife and cutting skills. See if a local culinary school offers knife skills classes as a leisure course or something.
Read a lot.
If he by some chance wants to come to Baton Rouge, my husband needs a dishwasher at his restaurant. Let me know.
While working as a dishwasher, if he has time off, he needs to read and watch videos - learn knife and cutting skills. See if a local culinary school offers knife skills classes as a leisure course or something.
Read a lot.
If he by some chance wants to come to Baton Rouge, my husband needs a dishwasher at his restaurant. Let me know.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 9:14 am to Dubaitiger
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Nicholls State in Thibodaux has Chef John Folse Culinary Institute. Good school for learning to be a chef. Note: I received 2 degrees from there, but not in the kitchen.
Culinary students here receive a Bachelor of Arts degree, typically have a specialized area (foh, boh, pastry, etc) plus receive a minor in business. Very well rounded and very well run program. Their bistro events are excellent as a patron and are great opportunities for the students to get real world experience running all aspects of a restaurant. RIP Chef Kozar who recently passed.
Posted on 10/1/24 at 9:45 am to GEAUXLPOST
Let me preface this by saying that the only kitchen I worked in was at Little Ceaser's in high school. That being said, I have multiple friends who went to culinary school and worked in kitchens at various points in their lives. I also am a "good cook" and spend a lot of time in my own kitchen and am pretty immersed in the food/beverage/hospitality scene.
1) You and he should both read Kitchen Confidential. While Bourdain was a cynical bastard, he also paints an appropriately bleak picture of the education, progression, and career of a chef.
2) He needs to work in a legit kitchen, even as just a dishwasher. Somewhere with brutal hours, brutal services, and brutal environments. If he loves it, then continue on. But not actually experiencing kitchen life prior to enrolling in culinary school is like someone enrolling in med school without knowing whether they can stomach the sight of blood.
3) Every chef I know who went to culinary school no longer cooks professionally. The one who lasted the longest went to work for Chartwells on the UofA campus doing event catering. Even he eventually tapped out. It's a brutal life, especially if you want to have a family.
4) All that being said, if he really wants to be a chef... that's awesome. Despite all I said above, a part of me wishes I'd have pursued it.
I do think that spending the money staging instead of on a full blown culinary school might be a better use of funds. Or maybe not... there are others on here who probably have a better idea of the current value of a formal education in the kitchen scene.
1) You and he should both read Kitchen Confidential. While Bourdain was a cynical bastard, he also paints an appropriately bleak picture of the education, progression, and career of a chef.
2) He needs to work in a legit kitchen, even as just a dishwasher. Somewhere with brutal hours, brutal services, and brutal environments. If he loves it, then continue on. But not actually experiencing kitchen life prior to enrolling in culinary school is like someone enrolling in med school without knowing whether they can stomach the sight of blood.
3) Every chef I know who went to culinary school no longer cooks professionally. The one who lasted the longest went to work for Chartwells on the UofA campus doing event catering. Even he eventually tapped out. It's a brutal life, especially if you want to have a family.
4) All that being said, if he really wants to be a chef... that's awesome. Despite all I said above, a part of me wishes I'd have pursued it.

Posted on 10/1/24 at 10:30 pm to hogfly
Staging.
What is this?
What is this?
This post was edited on 10/1/24 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 10/1/24 at 11:57 pm to NBR_Exile
Stage (pronounced 'st???/ STAH-zh) It's like a tryout for kitchens. Can last as little a week or as long as a year.
It's unpaid work on the premise that you will earn a paid position. The longest i ever staged was for two weeks. I was offered a paid position upon my competencies.
Stages are more prevalent in France but, many restaurants in the US, such as French Laundry, have waiting lists for stagiaires.
A stage at the FL will pick herbs and peel vegetables for months before they ever get a chance to do anything meaningful in the kitchen.
It's unpaid work on the premise that you will earn a paid position. The longest i ever staged was for two weeks. I was offered a paid position upon my competencies.
Stages are more prevalent in France but, many restaurants in the US, such as French Laundry, have waiting lists for stagiaires.
A stage at the FL will pick herbs and peel vegetables for months before they ever get a chance to do anything meaningful in the kitchen.
Posted on 10/2/24 at 1:45 pm to BigDropper
Yeah every stage has different roles depending on the kitchen. Most help prep and then wash dishes if you're a rookie. If you've got some experience, you will prep and then they'll teach you a few of the recipes and then throw you in the fire. A lot of places, even the high quality ones, still send their hired chefs to stage for a day or two at other restaurants in order to get experience for their chefs under someone they also consider to be excellent. And that same CDC might send a couple of his chefs to learn under the other chef. If there's a lot of respect between chefs, a lot of them will help each other out like that. Free labor to help an overworked kitchen can be a godsend
I know a couple of friends that did not go to culinary school and just loved cooking, moved to NYC and began staging at some places while also washing dishes. After 3-4 years, they got on as line cooks at some OK places, but worked hard and ended up on the line at some really good places and now, after working in the business for 10+ years, have excellent positions in some great places. Being a chef is one of those rare jobs where what you put into it will eventually get you what you want...but you have to be willing to work your dick off
I know a couple of friends that did not go to culinary school and just loved cooking, moved to NYC and began staging at some places while also washing dishes. After 3-4 years, they got on as line cooks at some OK places, but worked hard and ended up on the line at some really good places and now, after working in the business for 10+ years, have excellent positions in some great places. Being a chef is one of those rare jobs where what you put into it will eventually get you what you want...but you have to be willing to work your dick off

Posted on 10/2/24 at 6:15 pm to kingbob
I found out he would like to do pastry. Does this change all the incredible insights you guys have given?
Posted on 10/3/24 at 12:19 pm to NBR_Exile
Had a friend go through CIA in NY, then went and received a Masters from UH in Hospitality/Restaurant Management
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:04 pm to NBR_Exile
quote:Not necessarily. Many of the schools mentioned have both culinary and baking & pastry pathways. The prestige and repuation of the school is typically based on both pathways. So if the school is well known for having a great culinary arts program, you can almost guarantee the B&P program is good as well.
I found out he would like to do pastry. Does this change all the incredible insights you guys have given?
The only thing that changes with the B&P route is the opportunitites. Most high-end restaurants will have full time pastry staff that are responsible for producing and plating items on the dessert menu. Then there are specialty pastry shops that require staff to help with daily production and operations. Just depends on what his end goal is and what he wants to do with his life. Those are the two most common careers for pasty chefs that I know.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 2:18 pm to NBR_Exile
I know I mentioned Robert St. John's Hattiesburg, MS operations before, I also know your son is in Austin and seems uninterested in leaving that town. I can understand why. It is a big party place to live and have fun.
Here is the website for Loblolly Bakery. If he could get a Job there, he could learn tons of stuff and get great experience. If he really was interested in pursuing a career, he could also get a degree in Hospitality from University of Southern, MS. If he plans on having any success in the food industry, he needs to get his head straight on the business side so he can learn that elusive skill of making a profit in the food business. I would still recommend he try to arrange for a talk with Robert. Might be the best hour he ever invested in what seems like a young man's daydream at the moment.
Here is the website
The website even has a screen for him to apply for employment, which means they probably would interview him and share some of the facts he needs to hear before he invests too much time daydreaming.
Here is the website for Loblolly Bakery. If he could get a Job there, he could learn tons of stuff and get great experience. If he really was interested in pursuing a career, he could also get a degree in Hospitality from University of Southern, MS. If he plans on having any success in the food industry, he needs to get his head straight on the business side so he can learn that elusive skill of making a profit in the food business. I would still recommend he try to arrange for a talk with Robert. Might be the best hour he ever invested in what seems like a young man's daydream at the moment.
Here is the website
The website even has a screen for him to apply for employment, which means they probably would interview him and share some of the facts he needs to hear before he invests too much time daydreaming.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 2:22 pm
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