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Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:56 am to plawmac
Expecting a reply from the New Orleans city limits only crowd, here are the numbers for New Orleans city limits only.
Population (2010): 344,000
Total restaurants: 1210
Non-fast food/chain restaurants (Fitzmorris number): 535
Within city limits, people per restaurant (chains included): 284
Within city limits, people per restaurant (chains not included): 643
Two conclusions:
1) The chain restaurant to local restaurant ratio of the entire New Orleans Metro area is actually lower outside Orleans Parish city limits!
2) The local restaurant market in New Orleans, at 643 people per local restaurant, is unsaturated, based on national numbers, and is probably the reason we have seen an explosion of restaurants post-Katrina and continue to see new restaurants open. The popular opinion that we are at or close to saturation point is based on faulty logic, built on the idea that pre-Katrina NOLA had a high number of local restaurants per person.
Population (2010): 344,000
Total restaurants: 1210
Non-fast food/chain restaurants (Fitzmorris number): 535
Within city limits, people per restaurant (chains included): 284
Within city limits, people per restaurant (chains not included): 643
Two conclusions:
1) The chain restaurant to local restaurant ratio of the entire New Orleans Metro area is actually lower outside Orleans Parish city limits!
2) The local restaurant market in New Orleans, at 643 people per local restaurant, is unsaturated, based on national numbers, and is probably the reason we have seen an explosion of restaurants post-Katrina and continue to see new restaurants open. The popular opinion that we are at or close to saturation point is based on faulty logic, built on the idea that pre-Katrina NOLA had a high number of local restaurants per person.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:01 am
Posted on 8/18/11 at 9:57 am to TulaneLSU
Fitzmorris numbers by neighborhood, hand counted:
algiers 11
bywater 9
carrollton 12
cbd 67
city ark 3
esplanade 7
fq 125
garden 15
gentilly 9
uno 2
lakeview 18
lee circle 20
marigny 21
midcity 43
east 18
riverbend 44
uptown 78
warehouse 28
westend 6
total 535
algiers 11
bywater 9
carrollton 12
cbd 67
city ark 3
esplanade 7
fq 125
garden 15
gentilly 9
uno 2
lakeview 18
lee circle 20
marigny 21
midcity 43
east 18
riverbend 44
uptown 78
warehouse 28
westend 6
total 535
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 9:58 am
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:08 am to TulaneLSU
until I see Tiger Attorney's retort, I can't take any of this at face value
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:15 am to TulaneLSU
quote:
carrollton 12
I'm never quite clear on what area exactly encompasses "carrollton." Seems to me, at least off the top of my head, there are a hell of a lot more restaurants there then that, in what I would consider that neighborhood.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:17 am to Y.A. Tittle
Because of my great affection for you, Y.A., here are Asheville's numbers:
Population: 425,000
Restaurant #: 1219
People per restaurant: 349
That puts Asheville at #11 on this list, right behind Seattle and ahead of Denver.
Fitzmorris puts many of the restaurants you would associate with Carrollton in his Riverbend neighborhood, which is included in the NOLA restaurant number.
Population: 425,000
Restaurant #: 1219
People per restaurant: 349
That puts Asheville at #11 on this list, right behind Seattle and ahead of Denver.
Fitzmorris puts many of the restaurants you would associate with Carrollton in his Riverbend neighborhood, which is included in the NOLA restaurant number.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:19 am
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:18 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:you have to exclude riverbend. my guess is carrolton still has more than that though.
I'm never quite clear on what area exactly encompasses "carrollton." Seems to me, at least off the top of my head, there are a hell of a lot more restaurants there then that, in what I would consider that neighborhood.
using fitzmorris probably isn't the best borameter. what did he use to get everyone elses numbers? why didn't he use the same thing for NOLA area? doesn't seem consistent enough for me
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:20 am to TulaneLSU
quote:
carrollton 12
Way too low of a number.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:21 am to bee Rye
Fitzmorris is not the best barometer for measuring how many restaurants are in New Orleans. Fitzmorris is, however, the best barometer for measuring the number of restaurants insular New Orleanians, who are quick to defend the culinary culture of NOLA, count as "real" restaurants.
As I said above, Riverbend has most of the restaurants you might think should be within Carrollton but are not listed.
56 for Carrollton/Riverbend is Fitzmorris' number. Does that seem reasonable to you?
As I said above, Riverbend has most of the restaurants you might think should be within Carrollton but are not listed.
56 for Carrollton/Riverbend is Fitzmorris' number. Does that seem reasonable to you?
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:22 am
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:25 am to bee Rye
quote:
using fitzmorris probably isn't the best borameter.
Yeah. He's got a weird way of pretending certain places don't even exist.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:26 am to TulaneLSU
New orleans has 3878 places listed as restaurants in the phone book, can you re do your graph to include that number?
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:27 am
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:27 am to Y.A. Tittle
Which restaurants in Riverbend/Carrollton does he not list that you think should be included?
*** Babylon Cafe. 7724 Maple. 504-314-0010. Middle Eastern.
* Bangkok Thai. 513 S Carrollton. 504-861-3932. Thai.
Barcelona Tapas. 720 Dublin. 504-861-9696. Spanish.
*** Basil Leaf. 1438 S Carrollton Ave. 504-862-9001. Thai.
Bean Gallery. 637 N.Carrollton Ave. 504-324-8176. Sandwiches.
****Brigtsen's. 723 Dante. 504-861-7610. Contemporary Creole.
Bruno's Tavern. 7538 Maple St. 504-861-7615. Hamburgers.
Cafe Freret. 7329 Freret. 504-861-7890. Sandwiches.
** Cafe Nino. 1519 S Carrollton Ave. 504-865-9200. Pizza.
** Camellia Grill. 626 S Carrollton Ave. 504-309-2679. Diner.
Carrollton Station. 8140 Willow. 504-866-7290. Sandwiches.
Chill Out Cafe. 729 Burdette. 504-872-9628. Thai.
* China Orchid. 704 S Carrollton Ave. 504-865-1428. Chinese.
*** Ciro's Cote Sud. 7918 Maple. 504-866-9551. French.
** Cooter Brown's. 509 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-9104. Sandwiches.
Cowbell. 1200 Eagle St. 504-866-4222. Eclectic.
Curry Corner. 1200 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-9033. Indian.
****Dante's Kitchen. 736 Dante. 504-861-3121. Contemporary Creole.
Doors Uptown Pizza. 7537 Maple. 504-302-2547. Hamburgers.
GB's Patio Bar & Grill. 8117 Maple. 504-861-0067. Hamburgers.
Gelato Pazzo Cafe. 8115 Oak. 504-304-6908. Dessert and Coffee.
*** Hana. 8116 Hampson. 504-865-1634. Japanese.
*** Jacques-Imo's. 8324 Oak. 504-861-0886. Cajun.
** Jazmine Cafe. 614 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-9301. Vietnamese.
** La Madeleine. 601 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-8661. French.
*** Lebanon's Cafe. 1500 S Carrollton Ave. 504-862-6200. Middle Eastern.
Little Morocco. 7457 St Charles Ave. 504-301-9184. African.
*** Louisiana Pizza Kitchen. 615 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-5900. Pizza.
*** Maple Street Cafe. 7623 Maple. 504-314-9003. Creole Italian.
Maple Street Patisserie. 7638 Maple St. 504-304-1526. Dessert and Coffee.
****Mat & Naddie's. 937 Leonidas. 504-861-9600. Contemporary Creole.
O'Henry's Food & Spirits. 634 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-9741. Sandwiches.
Oak. 8118 Oak St. 504-302-1485. Specialty.
Oak Street Cafe. 8140 Oak. 504-866-8710. Neighborhood Cafe.
****One. 8132 Hampson. 504-301-9061. Contemporary Creole.
Panchita's. 1434 S Carrollton Ave. 504-281-4127. Central American.
Pepperoni's Cafe. 8123 Hampson. 504-865-0336. Pizza.
*** Pupuseria La Macarena. 8120 Hampson. 504-862-5252. Central American.
Refuel Cafe. 8124 Hampson. 504-872-0187. Breakfast, Lunch Cafe.
** Saltwater Grill & Oyster Bar. 710 S Carrollton Ave. 504-324-6640. Seafood.
*** Sara's. 724 Dublin. 504-861-0565. Pan-Asian.
Squeal Barbecue. 8400 Oak. 504-302-7370. Barbecue.
Tartine. 7217 Perrier St. 504-866-4860. Sandwiches.
*** Vincent's. 7839 St Charles Ave. 504-866-9313. Italian.
****Boucherie. 8115 Jeannette. 504-862-5514. Barbecue, Southern.
*** Cafe Granada. 1506 S Carrollton Ave. 504-865-1612. Spanish.
China Palace. 3415 S Carrollton Ave. 504-483-7768. Chinese.
** Chinese Kitchen. 3327 S Carrollton Ave. 504-482-1122. Chinese.
Figaro's. 7900 Maple. 504-866-0100. Pizza.
Little Tokyo Noodle Bar. 1340 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-6088. Japanese.
*** Mikimoto. 3301 S Carrollton Ave. 504-488-1881. Japanese.
** Mona's Cafe. 1120 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-8174. Middle Eastern.
Red Star. 8330 Earhart Blvd. 504-861-1933. Chinese.
** Riccobono's Panola Street Cafe. 7801 Panola. 504-314-1810. Breakfast.
* Roman Pizza. 7329 Cohn. 504-866-1166. Pizza.
** Ye Olde College Inn. 3016 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-3683. Neighborhood Cafe.
*** Babylon Cafe. 7724 Maple. 504-314-0010. Middle Eastern.
* Bangkok Thai. 513 S Carrollton. 504-861-3932. Thai.
Barcelona Tapas. 720 Dublin. 504-861-9696. Spanish.
*** Basil Leaf. 1438 S Carrollton Ave. 504-862-9001. Thai.
Bean Gallery. 637 N.Carrollton Ave. 504-324-8176. Sandwiches.
****Brigtsen's. 723 Dante. 504-861-7610. Contemporary Creole.
Bruno's Tavern. 7538 Maple St. 504-861-7615. Hamburgers.
Cafe Freret. 7329 Freret. 504-861-7890. Sandwiches.
** Cafe Nino. 1519 S Carrollton Ave. 504-865-9200. Pizza.
** Camellia Grill. 626 S Carrollton Ave. 504-309-2679. Diner.
Carrollton Station. 8140 Willow. 504-866-7290. Sandwiches.
Chill Out Cafe. 729 Burdette. 504-872-9628. Thai.
* China Orchid. 704 S Carrollton Ave. 504-865-1428. Chinese.
*** Ciro's Cote Sud. 7918 Maple. 504-866-9551. French.
** Cooter Brown's. 509 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-9104. Sandwiches.
Cowbell. 1200 Eagle St. 504-866-4222. Eclectic.
Curry Corner. 1200 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-9033. Indian.
****Dante's Kitchen. 736 Dante. 504-861-3121. Contemporary Creole.
Doors Uptown Pizza. 7537 Maple. 504-302-2547. Hamburgers.
GB's Patio Bar & Grill. 8117 Maple. 504-861-0067. Hamburgers.
Gelato Pazzo Cafe. 8115 Oak. 504-304-6908. Dessert and Coffee.
*** Hana. 8116 Hampson. 504-865-1634. Japanese.
*** Jacques-Imo's. 8324 Oak. 504-861-0886. Cajun.
** Jazmine Cafe. 614 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-9301. Vietnamese.
** La Madeleine. 601 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-8661. French.
*** Lebanon's Cafe. 1500 S Carrollton Ave. 504-862-6200. Middle Eastern.
Little Morocco. 7457 St Charles Ave. 504-301-9184. African.
*** Louisiana Pizza Kitchen. 615 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-5900. Pizza.
*** Maple Street Cafe. 7623 Maple. 504-314-9003. Creole Italian.
Maple Street Patisserie. 7638 Maple St. 504-304-1526. Dessert and Coffee.
****Mat & Naddie's. 937 Leonidas. 504-861-9600. Contemporary Creole.
O'Henry's Food & Spirits. 634 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-9741. Sandwiches.
Oak. 8118 Oak St. 504-302-1485. Specialty.
Oak Street Cafe. 8140 Oak. 504-866-8710. Neighborhood Cafe.
****One. 8132 Hampson. 504-301-9061. Contemporary Creole.
Panchita's. 1434 S Carrollton Ave. 504-281-4127. Central American.
Pepperoni's Cafe. 8123 Hampson. 504-865-0336. Pizza.
*** Pupuseria La Macarena. 8120 Hampson. 504-862-5252. Central American.
Refuel Cafe. 8124 Hampson. 504-872-0187. Breakfast, Lunch Cafe.
** Saltwater Grill & Oyster Bar. 710 S Carrollton Ave. 504-324-6640. Seafood.
*** Sara's. 724 Dublin. 504-861-0565. Pan-Asian.
Squeal Barbecue. 8400 Oak. 504-302-7370. Barbecue.
Tartine. 7217 Perrier St. 504-866-4860. Sandwiches.
*** Vincent's. 7839 St Charles Ave. 504-866-9313. Italian.
****Boucherie. 8115 Jeannette. 504-862-5514. Barbecue, Southern.
*** Cafe Granada. 1506 S Carrollton Ave. 504-865-1612. Spanish.
China Palace. 3415 S Carrollton Ave. 504-483-7768. Chinese.
** Chinese Kitchen. 3327 S Carrollton Ave. 504-482-1122. Chinese.
Figaro's. 7900 Maple. 504-866-0100. Pizza.
Little Tokyo Noodle Bar. 1340 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-6088. Japanese.
*** Mikimoto. 3301 S Carrollton Ave. 504-488-1881. Japanese.
** Mona's Cafe. 1120 S Carrollton Ave. 504-861-8174. Middle Eastern.
Red Star. 8330 Earhart Blvd. 504-861-1933. Chinese.
** Riccobono's Panola Street Cafe. 7801 Panola. 504-314-1810. Breakfast.
* Roman Pizza. 7329 Cohn. 504-866-1166. Pizza.
** Ye Olde College Inn. 3016 S Carrollton Ave. 504-866-3683. Neighborhood Cafe.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:30 am to bee Rye
That number from the phone book is inaccurate, including hundreds of restaurants that no longer exist. Take the 40+ Pizza Huts that recently closed. All are listed by the phonebook. The 3050 number is as accurate as it's going to get. I have personally made sure of that.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:30 am to TulaneLSU
quote:
Which restaurants in Riverbend/Carrollton does he not list that you think should be included?
shite if I know. Is that the combined listing of those two neighborhoods? What area is he considering just Carrollton?
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:30 am to TulaneLSU
I see no Ninja on that list
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:31 am to TulaneLSU
Dang ! Lots of Louisiana cities on that list.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:32 am to LSUTygerFan
quote:
Dang ! Lots of Louisiana cities on that list.
It's a silly list TulaneLSU made himself. He deliberately included all La. cities.
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:32 am to TulaneLSU
quote:so where did you pull your population numbers? did you round up or down to the nearest 10,000? where did you pull your restaurant numbers from?
That number from the phone book is inaccurate, including hundreds of restaurants that no longer exist. Take the 40+ Pizza Huts that recently closed. All are listed by the phonebook. The 3050 number is as accurate as it's going to get. I have personally made sure of that.
if you are going to give us a statistical analysis, you have to at least tell us the method you pulled your stats, and whether or not that method stayed consistent thorughout
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:34 am
Posted on 8/18/11 at 10:32 am to bee Rye
Ninja, oddly enough, is left off the Carrollton/Riverbend list by Fitzmorris, but it is counted in the New Orleans number. Fitzmorris, for whatever reason, lists it as an Uptown restaurant.
All your questions are answered in the first post.
All your questions are answered in the first post.
This post was edited on 8/18/11 at 10:33 am
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