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re: I'm a convert to jarred roux, Savoie's worked very well

Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:11 pm to
Posted by hungryone
river parishes
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:11 pm to
That shaker can of Tony's instant can save a too-thin/watery gravy from the trash can. I don't build a whole recipe around it, but it's a nice thing to have in a pinch. Roast something tasty & have a few spoons of pan liquid you'd like to embellish into a sauce/gravy? Tony's instant.

And I find it funny that people object to Kitchen Bouquet's food coloring properties when they'll pig out on red velvet cake, which contains a whole bottle of red food coloring.
Posted by MiloDanglers
on a dock on a bay
Member since Apr 2012
6558 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:19 pm to
quote:

can whip out a dark roux in 5 minutes. Screw stirring anything for an hour.


How do you do it so quick? You just do it really hot?
Posted by Crazy Hoss
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2018
350 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 4:41 pm to
I like Kitchen Bouquet browning of stuffed pork roasts and chops.
Posted by 91TIGER
Lafayette
Member since Aug 2006
18863 posts
Posted on 10/22/18 at 8:08 pm to
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Kary’s FTW!!!



absolutely
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 10/22/18 at 8:30 pm to


Posted by SOLA
There
Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 3:50 am to
I once had someone tell me they didn’t use jar roux because they made it with cheap flour. WTF?
Posted by NOLAGT
Over there
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:14 am to
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Agree--unless you're using flavored fats (duck fat, bacon grease, or butter), there is no difference between jarred and homemade (using a flavorless liquid vegetable oil). I do give the edge to Kary's over Savoie's b/c Kary's doesn't contain palm oil or TBHQ (a preservative).


Agree with all this. I have done both and the jar is convenient and makes a good pot of gumbo. Last pot I made last weekend I did the fried chicken thing so I made my own with that oil.

Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
14473 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:39 am to
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You just do it really hot?

Yep. Have your trinity already cut up and handy. Heat your oil on high heat until it starts smoking. Add your flour and stir rapidly until it starts to brown then knock your heat down to about an 8 and keep stirring. As it darkens, you can drop the heat some but don't go less than medium. When it gets to the color you want, add your trinity and stir well to cool off the roux and proceed with your gumbo. If you burn it, start over.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1725 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:43 am to
Agree, I do mine in a cast iron skillet on a gas stove similar but, take on and off fire when I see smoke. I have gotten my roux dark and pushing the envelop. Does not really take that long.

I would like to try the oven method as it gets cooler and jar it myself.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:01 am
Posted by Tigertown in ATL
Georgia foothills
Member since Sep 2009
30110 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:53 am to
Making a roux is what keeps me from making gumbo. I just suck at it.

On the other hand I try to avoid crappy oils when possible (corn, veg, canola etc).

And I bet I can’t get decent ones here without a search.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
55477 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:58 am to
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Yep. Have your trinity already cut up and handy. Heat your oil on high heat until it starts smoking. Add your flour and stir rapidly until it starts to brown then knock your heat down to about an 8 and keep stirring. As it darkens, you can drop the heat some but don't go less than medium. When it gets to the color you want, add your trinity and stir well to cool off the roux and proceed with your gumbo. If you burn it, start ove


This is the method I use. Every time I post about this "quick roux" method, I get downvoted, I guess because people don't believe you can make a dark roux in under 10 minutes.

I made a seafood gumbo in my big stainless pot last weekend for company. Best seafood gumbo I ever made. People kept asking if I used kitchen bouquet or jarred roux, because of how dark it was. Honestly, i'm used to cooking gumbo in my smaller cast iron, and it's much easier to control the heat. With Stainless, you have to really watch that pot because it gets very hot, very quick. There is no gradual transfer of heat like cast iron. It turned out great though. Here's a pic of leftovers from last night. It's actually a tad lighter than the pic. Bad lighting.



ETA: And I've only ever made my own roux. They are typically done on the stove, but I have done it in the oven with great results as well, just takes longer. I've never used jar just because I find making a roux to a) be part of the fun of cooking gumbo b) love that smell and c) never used jar before, so I don't trust jar. Not saying there is any validity to not trust jar roux, but I will never know if its good or not.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:04 am
Posted by CnAzInCA
Dallas, Texas
Member since Jan 2014
616 posts
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:15 am to
I have those same double-handle Tabasco gumbo bowls, given to me as a Christmas present by my mother-in-law. I love them! Gumbo looks fantastic!
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60798 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:11 am to
OK, I'm coming to you guys for advice about what I did wrong.

On Friday I used to the Savoie's dark jar roux. I did as the instructions noted and added four tablespoons to the four quarts of water.

The gumbo was extremely thin and light brown when done. Really lacked flavor as well. I'm sure I can do better to spice it up, but what did I do wrong to have such a thin and watery mess?
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
12018 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:34 am to
I would've used 3/4 of the jar to four quarts of water.. 6-8 pieces of chicken and 1 lb of smoked sausage.. plus the onion, bell pepper, celery and garlic.
This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 8:37 am
Posted by Saskwatch
Member since Feb 2016
17520 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:37 am to
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On Friday I used to the Savoie's dark jar roux. I did as the instructions noted and added four tablespoons to the four quarts of water.


This is the problem I have with jarred roux. I find that I always use too much or too little. Hard to hit the nail on the head. Last night I said frick it and used 3/4 of the jar. I had to end up splitting the gumbo between 2 huge pots to get enough stock in there to thin it out some.

*I now have leftover gumbo to feed 25. Anyone know best way to freeze it? Ziplock? Vacuum Pack?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
60798 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 8:38 am to
Yeah I had plenty of chicken, sausage, and some Tasso.
Since I have half a jar left I’m going to experiment one night this week in a smaller batch and add more roux
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
12018 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:30 am to

About 10-15 minutes before serving, with the fire off, dump a handful of chopped parsley over the top and let it settle.

If you use a half jar of roux, use a half to three quarters gallon of water, 6-8 pieces of chicken and a pound of sausage.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171891 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:36 am to
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can save a too-thin/watery gravy from the trash can.


Who the frick throws away a watery gravy? Just boil and reduce....
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
9877 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:42 am to
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This is the problem I have with jarred roux. I find that I always use too much or too little.
The stock to roux ratio should be between 6 to 1 and 20 to 1, depending on your preferences. Find your preferred ratio through experimentation and then you can calculate it for any size pot.
Posted by bdevill
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Mar 2008
12018 posts
Posted on 10/29/18 at 10:45 am to
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Just boil and reduce....


If you don't have enough roux in the gumbo, boiling it longer won't make it thick enough. You'll just dissolve the chicken and have a bunch of bones in the pot of thin, watery broth.

This post was edited on 10/29/18 at 12:52 pm
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