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Corn beef/ pastrami making thread..

Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:03 am
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:03 am
I’ve googled a little and have the gist of the process but would like the opinions of the good people here who have done it..

What size?

Whole packer, point or flat?

How to trim? Like you would if you were going to smoke it, or more?

Should I pay more for prime or is choice ok?

Any other tips on seasoning, brine or anything else?

Migh end up doing pastrami, so any tips on smoking it appreciated..


I’ll post some pics of my corning and subsequent eating. Tia

This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 7:45 am
Posted by OldHickory
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2012
10602 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:22 am to
I haven’t done it, but have always wanted to. One thing I do know is that if you can get a beef belly, that’s the cut that was originally used. If you do brisket, I’d do a whole packer and trim it as if you we’re BBQ’ing it. Obviously the point will be more fatty and flavorful. Costco always has great brisket for cheap.

People slice their corned beef and pastrami too thin. Probably to mask it’s lack of tenderness. If it’s done right and fatty, thick slices melt in your mouth.

If you do it, please document the process and share.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15106 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:27 am to
I make my own corned beef at least 3 times a year and will buy the whole brisket at Costco and they sell Prime for a very good price when on sale.

I'll trim down to about 1/4 inch fat off the cap and the brine recipe I use is as follows:

1 gallon water
1 cup kosher salt
1 tsp. Potassium Nitrate (Salt Peter)
5 bay leaves
1 tsp. ground cloves
1 tsp. all-spice berries
2 tsp. peppercorns
1 tsp. mustard seed
1 cup white vinegar
1/2 cup white sugar
7 cloves finely chopped garlic

Boil all ingredients until well blended. Allow to cool to room temperature and then submerge the brisket in the liquid. Refrigerate and brine for 2 weeks before cooking.

Place something weighted on top of the brisket to keep it submerged---(I use a plastic container with a few extra plates in it) and turn it over every day to make sure it is evenly brined.

Prior to cooking remove from the brine and rinse thoroughly, then pat dry.

If you smoke it for pastrami, use a recipe you find on the net and go from there.

If you want to make corned beef with it, simply place it in a large enough pot and cover with water and boil it until tender.

ETA: I generally cook mine about 3 hours and will take some of the cooking liquid and use that to cook down some cabbage and potatoes to go with it for a "Corned Beef & Cabbage" meal.

I'll cut the cabbage in fairly large chunks and begin the cooking process by first sautéing some onion and garlic in either olive oil or bacon grease then add the cabbage to lightly brown it in the oil. Then I'll take some of the cooking liquid from the corned beef and let the cabbage cook down in that to begin getting tender. Next, add some cubed potatoes and let that cook till tender. Season with salt and pepper as needed.

Forgot to mention: I use a large plastic "food safe" container to brine the brisket.
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 10:36 am
Posted by MobileJosh
On the go
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 10:34 am to
Good ideas there
This post was edited on 8/16/19 at 10:35 am
Posted by Duane Dibbley
Red Dwarf
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:08 pm to
quote:

Migh end up doing pastrami, so any tips on smoking it appreciated..

A Smoked Pastrami Recipe That's Close To Katz's


Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37746 posts
Posted on 8/16/19 at 12:16 pm to
Thanks fellas
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37746 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 8:23 am to
Bought a 13lb prime packer. Trimmed it down to about 9 lbs.




Made the brine out of:

4 quarts water
2 cup kosher salt
1 cup brown sugar
3 tablespoons pink salt
2 cinnamon stick, broken into several pieces
2 teaspoon mustard seeds
2 teaspoon black peppercorns
15 whole cloves
8 whole allspice berries
4 bay leaves, crumbled
10 crushed garlic cloves
1 teaspoon ground ginger

Heated the brine to dissolve the sugar and salt, then cooled down to 45 deg with ice




Submerged it and put it fridge I have it weighted down. Will flip it over every day. Will go at least 10 days. Maybe 2 weeks. I plan to do pastrami and corned beef with it.



This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 8:24 am
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15106 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 8:57 am to
quote:

Bought a 13lb prime packer. Trimmed it down to about 9 lbs.


The recipe I posted originally called for 2 cups kosher salt but I found the corned beef to be too salty with that much, so I cut it down to 1 cup.

Give it a try with the 2 cups as it may suit you with that amount of salt.

I also make my own bacon and will only use 1/2 cup salt, 1/2 cup brown sugar and a bit of black pepper to use as a dry rub and place the pork bellies in gallon freezer bags to marinate for a week in my fridge before rinsing them off and then smoking them.

I buy pork bellies in the 12 lb. range and don't trim them since they come with the outer skin already removed from Costco.
This post was edited on 8/18/19 at 9:39 am
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37746 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 10:24 am to
quote:

The recipe I posted originally called for 2 cups kosher salt but I found the corned beef to be too salty with that much, so I cut it down to 1 cup.



Uh oh. I hope it doesn’t come out too sally. I ended up using Alton Brown’s recipe, but doubled all the ingredients since his was for a 4lb brisket. You think I should add some water to dilute the brine?
Posted by ThreeBonesCater
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2014
488 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 11:04 am to
Microwave a little of the brine then give it a taste.
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15106 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 12:11 pm to
quote:

Microwave a little of the brine then give it a taste.


That will only be a very rough indicator since it is how quickly it is absorbed into the brisket that will tell how salty the final result will be.

The brine is going to be salty to begin with.

I will say this, I do love salt and I found 2 cups of Kosher salt to be a bit much. That is why I cut it back to 1 cup and it came out very good.

If the OP is concerned about the salt, he could remove some of the brine and add plain water and then kick up the other ingredients to balance the diluted brine out again.

Your first time cooking anything is going to be a trial and error thing and the end result will tell you what you may want to tweak the next time.
This post was edited on 8/18/19 at 12:13 pm
Posted by unclejhim
Folsom, La.
Member since Nov 2011
3703 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:29 pm to
Might want to up that (salt peter to a TBSP for a gallon of water.
Posted by Hat Tricks
Member since Oct 2003
28612 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 4:32 pm to
Jess Pryles has a pretty solid recipe.

LINK
Posted by Thecoz
Member since Dec 2018
2526 posts
Posted on 8/18/19 at 7:48 pm to
i would trim based on if doing corned beef or going all the way to pastrami
it is to much work for me if just doing corned beef and i an happy with store bought

but pastrami! i would use a very trim piece cause i just wanted and thin line of fat and to get as much smoke and flavor as i could into the meat
Posted by celltech1981
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Posted on 8/19/19 at 7:46 am to
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Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37746 posts
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:17 am to
After 10 days in the brine I decide to get this show on the road. Also decided to do it all in pastrami instead of half corned beef.

Removed from brine.



Rinsed thoroughly, then dried




Made a rub. For the rub I toasted some coriander and mustard seeds, added smoked paprika, crushed black peppercorns, garlic powder, minced onions, brown sugar




Slathered a dab of creole mustard on the brisket to help it stick and rubbed it down.



Got it going on Ol Bessie about 7am with some cherry (I read cherry will yield a taste similar to Katz deli), hickory and charcoal. Will let it slow roll most of the day while I’m at work. Depending on what temp it gets to I may wrap and finish in the oven to get the temp up around 200 deg.







Going to buy some Jewish rye, kraut and good Swiss after while




This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 8:22 am
Posted by Trout Bandit
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2012
13253 posts
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:24 am to
Gonna make some slaw as a side with it Balls??
Posted by LSUballs
RayVegas LA
Member since Feb 2008
37746 posts
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:35 am to
I think I'm going for pastrami ruebens tonight. May go the slaw route after that..
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
101390 posts
Posted on 8/28/19 at 8:49 am to
fricking A!
Posted by gumbo2176
Member since May 2018
15106 posts
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:47 am to
Love the size of your smoker, although a bit of overkill for that size piece of meat.

Also looks like you are on a nice size piece of property with the tractor and bushog in the background.
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