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How Roux Made Its Way Into the Gumbo Pot

Posted on 10/2/14 at 5:39 pm
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 5:39 pm
Interesting read about roux in gumbo over at Serious Eats. LINK

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1880s. By then, cooks in New Orleans were making three primary varieties of their famous stew: okra-based gumbo févi, gumbo filé thickened with powdered sassafras, and gumbo aux herbes.


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It was only toward the end of the 19th century that the ingredient that's perhaps most closely associated with gumbo today made its way into the pot: roux.


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Adding roux to gumbo was definitely a Louisiana innovation, and it seems to have been used first with oyster gumbos.


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In 1894, the New Orleans Times-Democrat declared, "the roux is the basis of everything good in the creole culinary line, such as gumbo, both okra and filé, daube stew, those wonderful fricassees, etc." Still, it took a good half a century to become universal in New Orleans-style gumbo. The 1922 Picayune Creole Cookbook included recipes for roux-free gombo filé, gombo févi, and gombo aux herbes, though its oyster gumbo and shrimp gumbo both begin with a roux made from a tablespoon for lard or butter and two tablespoons of flour. It wasn't until the 1950s that roux become the standard in Creole gumbo recipes—and in Creole cooking in general.
Posted by runningTiger
Member since Apr 2014
3029 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 5:44 pm to
I don't buy it
I heard roux was used in gumbo before Louisiana
Posted by gaetti15
AK
Member since Apr 2013
15672 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:23 pm to
i bet all those gumbo dishes had tomatoes in it (outside of gumbo aux herbes)
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10248 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:25 pm to
I bet Gunshop serves Gunbo.

made with a gunpowder roux.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 6:27 pm
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23347 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:47 pm to
My M-I-L make Gumbo Vahn, it made with all greens and no meat or roux. I love that shite.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52752 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 6:56 pm to
Double 00 Buck Gumbo...High Brass
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 8:20 pm
Posted by MeridianDog
Home on the range
Member since Nov 2010
14539 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:44 pm to
I will read this story shortly. However, I wanted to come back first and say that photo is the best looking bowl of sausage and chicken gumbo I have ever seen.

I'd rate the photo a pure 10/10.
Posted by Gris Gris
OTIS!NO RULES FOR SAUCES ON STEAK!!
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 7:50 pm to
Roux has been around longer than Ole Geauxt aka Methuselah. That's forever. I think he's on his 9th life.

New Orleans hasn't had roux in gumbo as long as South LA has is my guess.
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10248 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 8:31 pm to
Here's a related post from the same site.

The Real Story of Gumbo, Okra, and Filé
Posted by Houma Sapien
up the bayou
Member since Jul 2013
1688 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 8:42 pm to
i will say this....most gumbo in lower terrebonne parish is made without a roux. we call it file gumbo. the base is onions smothered on low heat for at least an hour. to this day my grandmother (who is from boudreaux canal) calls anything with a roux a "stew" or if it has sausage, a "lafourche gumbo."

i do fine that the younger generations here (including myself) are moving towards more roux-based gumbos, however i still cook my grandmaws file gumbo quite often
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 8:45 pm
Posted by Darla Hood
Near that place by that other place
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:05 pm to
I thought the file gumbo in Terrebonne Parish and thereabouts was result of the Native American influence.
Posted by Houma Sapien
up the bayou
Member since Jul 2013
1688 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:13 pm to
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I thought the file gumbo in Terrebonne Parish and thereabouts was result of the Native American influence.



You're probably right. Almost everyone south of houma has at least some Indian genes.
Posted by Twenty 49
Shreveport
Member since Jun 2014
21521 posts
Posted on 10/2/14 at 9:18 pm to
I saw an LPB show years ago where some south LA Indians made a gumbo. No roux. Lots of file'.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
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52752 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 6:10 am to
Great read, SR.
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
23347 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:30 am to
quote:

grandmother (who is from boudreaux canal)


We might be related
Posted by Kajungee
South ,Section 6 Row N
Member since Mar 2004
17033 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 7:37 am to
You know the roux had to come from the French.
I say the Creoles picked the roux up from the Cajuns in the swamp.

And of course the Creoles take credit for it.

Good article though
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10248 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 9:13 am to
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Eliza Leslie's Directions for Cookery (1840) includes recipes for both "Gumbo Soup," which incorporates "a round of beef" along with the okra and tomatoes, and just plain "Gumbo," the traditional stewed okra and tomatoes, which she describes as "a favourite New Orleans dish."
What do you know - tomatoes in gumbo 175 years ago.

Roux is the late-comer to the gumbo pot.

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You might notice that, up to this point, we've not said a word about roux, that third way of thickening gumbo, and one that for many cooks today is the very essence of the dish. That innovation came along later than okra and filé . . . .


I can just hear somebody way back when saying "Well that might be good, but it can't be gumbo if it's got roux in it".

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Adding roux to gumbo was definitely a Louisiana innovation, and it seems to have been used first with oyster gumbos. In July 1880, after the New Orleans City Item ran an article on gumbo, they received a letter from "a lady who is a very competent authority in such matters" instructing them on the "genuine Creole method of making gumbo." She provided instructions for a standard chicken and okra gumbo with no roux, then followed it with a recipe for gumbo filé with oysters. It begins "make a roux and brown the ingredients as in the other recipe."
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 9:41 am
Posted by Stadium Rat
Metairie
Member since Jul 2004
10248 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 9:45 am to
If anybody wants the Lafcadio Hearn cookbook mentioned in the article, you can download it here:

La Cuisine Creole (1885)

(It's in the public domain, of course.)
Posted by keoki010
Member since Jun 2014
44 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:18 am to
Thanks SR. Very interesting book!
Posted by htownjeep
Republic of Texas
Member since Jun 2005
7832 posts
Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:54 am to
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Here's a related post from the same site.

The Real Story of Gumbo, Okra, and Filé

From that link...looks totally disgusting.

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