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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by Fratastic423
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:54 pm to
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I've heard it's not the best thing as it leaves trub in the barrel that can be hard to get out, but whatever, I can't go back now


Yeast trub or hop/protein trub? I suppose if it is in reference to hop/protein then you could put it into one container then transfer into the barrel once stuff settles out.

And when you say no-chill, you mean after whirl pooling you go straight into the barrel?
Posted by Fratastic423
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:54 pm to
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I totally forgot I sent a few of those out. That was a good mix. Very funky.


It has the yeast necessary to actual do primary fermentation correct? Not just bacteria?
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 1:59 pm to
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Yeast trub or hop/protein trub? I suppose if it is in reference to hop/protein then you could put it into one container then transfer into the barrel once stuff settles out.


Either of you see this Trub free vs Truby fermentation experiment? pretty interesting.

LINK
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:15 pm to
That is interesting. I personally do not really care if trub makes it into the carboy, but that shouldn't surprise anyone. I try not to get a bunch in but doesn't really impact my brewday.

If I am going straight into the barrel though, I will probably bag the hops and whirlpool as much as possible to keep that stuff out of the barrel itself.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 2:55 pm to
Yeast trub. It can apparently build up over several uses. I know a lot of people recommend doing primary in something else and then dumping in the barrel as it reduces trub that can gunk it up.

And yeah, right after whirlpool I dumped it in the barrel. It sort of doubled as sanitizing the barrel.

That yeast is sacch and brett. No bacteria. I can't remember what sacch strain. I want to say saison, but I could be wrong and it could be Ardennes.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 6/23/14 at 3:00 pm to
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That yeast is sacch and brett. No bacteria. I can't remember what sacch strain. I want to say saison, but I could be wrong and it could be Ardennes.


Hmm, cool cool. I think I am going to give it a shot. Why the hell not?

I need to find another way to cellar some beers. The cellar is taking up too much space in my fermentation chest.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 8:52 am to
I was on some property today and saw a shrub I have never seen before. I broke out my tree id book and keyed it out, and found it to be Common Hoptree (Ptelea trifoliata)
Under the description of this tree, it says it's fruits have been used as a substitute for real hops in brewing beer.

More research is needed, but I think brewing with this needs to happen.

Posted by Zappas Stache
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 12:15 pm to
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and found it to be Common Hoptree (Ptelea trifoliata)
Under the description of this tree, it says it's fruits have been used as a substitute for real hops in brewing beer.



Pretty cool! I would definitely try to brew with this.

ETA: Just bought some seeds. I'll pot them up and see what happens.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 12:54 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:28 pm to
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I couldn't do it. I couldn't leave the kettle out to chill and ferment. There were too many fruit flies all around my back shed.


Yeah, I had to cover my last batch with a cheese cloth. Bugs were diving into that steaming cloth committing suicide at an alarming rate

I didn't have any issues once fermentation got going. This leads me to believe that bugs are much better at identifying and avoiding low oxygen environments than they are steaming hot environments.
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 10:34 pm to
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Yeast trub. It can apparently build up over several uses. I know a lot of people recommend doing primary in something else and then dumping in the barrel as it reduces trub that can gunk it up.


This is what I did when adding fresh wort to my sour barrel. I fermented it with some Cantillon dregs and then transferred it to the barrel. I've seen it mentioned that you want to try and clean your barrel out every 3 or 4 years.

I picked up two new barrels today:



I'm going to brew 12 gallons of base this weekend and add two gallons of spontaneous fermentation starters that I've been building up since the spring:



And maybe I'll have some 100% Texas spontaneous fermentation lambic to share with folks in about a year
This post was edited on 6/24/14 at 10:36 pm
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:04 pm to
Awesome. I still need to try and capture some yeast before I leave this house I'm in now so I can take a little something with me from the back yard.
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
21477 posts
Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:09 pm to
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I still need to try and capture some yeast before I leave this house I'm in now so I can take a little something with me from the back yard.


Do it! My brother has a Louisiana style lambic going that is fermented with wild blackberries. I'm going to get some of that yeast for my 3rd barrel. I'm going to do a blend of wild yeast from Texas and Louisiana. I'm going to try and harvest some yeast on my trip to Colorado in August but don't have the details of getting it back home worked out yet
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 6/24/14 at 11:40 pm to
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And maybe I'll have some 100% Texas spontaneous fermentation lambic to share with folks in about a year


I have been to Jester King
And I have cast my eyes gazingly,
longingly into the coolship
that will one day deliver ......check that

I think I am ready to sour. I guess it's too late for spontaneous, correct? To much crap in the hot air. Either way, would you suggest just creating a starter from dregs of a JK bottle or 2 before diving into spontaneous ferm?
Posted by LoneStarTiger
Lone Star State
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 6/25/14 at 6:11 am to
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ETA: Just bought some seeds. I'll pot them up and see what happens.


They are in fruit now, so I collected some seeds myself. When rolled in my hand they are very bitter smelling, but it's a "clean" bitter, not a "dank" bitter. I'm going to plant the seeds when I notice the others falling and also mark some for digging up and transplanting this winter.

I think there is enough fruit to use now for a batch, but I have no idea just how much to use, so I will see if I can find any info first

When using whole leaf hops, what are the sizes of typical additions?
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:21 am to
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When using whole leaf hops, what are the sizes of typical additions?


Dried or fresh? Dried you can use basically the same amount as pellets in terms of weight. Obviously volume wise is a bunch more. I have never tried to use fresh hops for anything more than flavor and aroma as I never know the ibu from home grown hops.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:24 am to
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I think I am ready to sour. I guess it's too late for spontaneous, correct? To much crap in the hot air. Either way, would you suggest just creating a starter from dregs of a JK bottle or 2 before diving into spontaneous ferm?


I would be scared of bugs (actual) getting in, like BottomLand was. I am on a huge sour kick now. I have one that I used the dregs of a JK bottle in a starter. Waiting on the secondary fermentation to kick in. Smells good but no pellicule yet. Brewing another sour saison this weekend. I just need to find a place to keep all of the carboys/barrel.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29838 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:34 am to
I want to get a couple more sours going, but our plan is to move in a few months and I don't really want to deal with moving carboys full of beer.

I checked in on my outside fermenting saison. Down to 1.011 in 96 hours. I think I just made WLP565 my bitch. Fastest I've ever seen it ferment.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:44 am to
Well it is outside
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
29838 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:54 am to
It's been holding steady right around 79-81 every time I've checked it. It didn't get as hot because of all the rain we've had. Normally my shed is a sauna. The sample I took last night was still throwing off some funky fermentation aromas. Hopefully once that settles down it'll shape up nicely. Can't wait to sit on the beach for a week with this keg at my side.
Posted by Fratastic423
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2007
5990 posts
Posted on 6/25/14 at 8:59 am to
That's not terrible at all. was thinking it would have been in the high 80's.
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