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re: Full N.O. City Council to Vote on Smoking Ban in All Restaurants, etc.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
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But they have to follow laws, and I agree with part of this proposed law.
Right...we are trying to point out why "agreeing" with this sort of law--even if you like the results--is a terrible thing.
Just like you would hate it if there was a new "law" that required homeowners with more bedrooms than dependents to house a homeless individual. It would be the "law"...but you would think it's terrible. Why? Because, you'd invariably say, "it's my damned property. I pay for it."
This is the same situation. It's just that you selfishly like the results in one situation and dislike them in the other.
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Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to LNCHBOX
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So they don't have to follow law on this property?
well...
as long as they do not harm unwilling others or others properties...no IMO
I wouldn't care if a private business put up a sign that said "we will murder you if you enter this property" and then they murder you
but thats just me
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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OVER REGULATING smoking is bad. Simple really.
But its not over regulating. It's the next step in a process that has been in motion for years now.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:19 am to Lester Earl
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then stop spouting the crusader bullshite
excuse me? WTF are you talking about and why do you view yourself as an authority?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:20 am to Lester Earl
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But its not over regulating. It's the next step in a process that has been in motion for years now.
The eventual outlawing of smoking?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:20 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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More needless regulation is not justified.
sounds like you support no smoking in public places, but not the laws that enforce them. without the laws PEOPLE SMOKE IN PUBLIC. hence....the way it 'used to be'
and by "public" i mean, restaurants, airplanes, shopping malls, etc
This post was edited on 1/8/15 at 11:22 am
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:21 am to Ex-Popcorn
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Right...we are trying to point out why "agreeing" with this sort of law--even if you like the results--is a terrible thing.
In this one particular instance, I disagree with you.
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Just like you would hate it if there was a new "law" that required homeowners with more bedrooms than dependents to house a homeless individual. It would be the "law"...but you would think it's terrible. Why? Because, you'd invariably say, "it's my damned property. I pay for it."
So I either support no new regulatory laws or all of them? Was is it either/or? Why can't I support this one but not be for many others?
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This is the same situation. It's just that you selfishly like the results in one situation and dislike them in the other.
I love how nonsmokers get labeled as selfish in this.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:22 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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Lnchbox - every restaurant in your home city could join together and agree that you and you alone are not allowed into their restaurants...and, it's perfectly legal.
Why is it legal?
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Is this a serious question?
of course I'm serious. You seem to think you have some vested right to walk into any restaurant whenever you want. Because you use that mistaken belief as the basis for your argument that smokers should be inconvenienced. Not you. As if you have some unfettered right to enter. You don't.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:22 am to Salmon
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well...
as long as they do not harm unwilling others or others properties...no IMO
Well, I'm an unwilling other in their establishment that I would like to be in and legally enjoy myself.
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I wouldn't care if a private business put up a sign that said "we will murder you if you enter this property" and then they murder you
but thats just me
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:22 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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The eventual outlawing of smoking?
that would be over regulating. Wont ever happen.
the next step is banning smoking in bars. It's been building up to that for a while now, considering the other public places it is now outlawed
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:23 am to LNCHBOX
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I love how nonsmokers get labeled as selfish in this.
I....I can't even fathom how anyone could try to claim that the ones against this law are the selfish ones
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:23 am to Ex-Popcorn
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You seem to think you have some vested right to walk into any restaurant whenever you want
Just like smokers think they can smoke wherever they damn well please?
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Because you use that mistaken belief as the basis for your argument that smokers should be inconvenienced
So I am mistaken in thinking I should be able to go somewhere in public?
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Not you. As if you have some unfettered right to enter. You don't.
Neither do smokers.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:24 am to Sid in Lakeshore
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excuse me? WTF are you talking about and why do you view yourself as an authority?
I was replying to this post
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This gets at the heart of what the anti-smoking crusaders, trans-fat banners and Parental Advisory champions of the world are looking to do. Subject the rest of society to their purist worldview. In the end, they're just another group who feels entitled. Morally outraged Boomers with nothing better to do. Pretty pathetic.
written by a person that supports non-smoking establishments.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:24 am to LNCHBOX
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I'm an unwilling other in their establishment that I would like to be in and legally enjoy myself.
no....you are willing
you willingly chose to go into that establishment
shite man, this isn't hard
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:24 am to Salmon
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I....I can't even fathom how anyone could try to claim that the ones against this law are the selfish ones
If smokers were courteous and would smoke outside, this would be a non issue. Smokers are the reason this issue exists.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:24 am to Salmon
hot damn 10 pages in 2 hours, are we on the OT?
I hate the NOLA city council….I mean they have a tough job trying to appease the masses, but they just suck at everything they do.
I hate the NOLA city council….I mean they have a tough job trying to appease the masses, but they just suck at everything they do.
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:25 am to Ex-Popcorn
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So I either support no new regulatory laws or all of them? Was is it either/or? Why can't I support this one but not be for many others?
No...you're missing the point. You either are in favor of property rights or you are not. It's that simple.
You don't get to choose to enforce the rights of property owners only sometimes.
"First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:25 am to Lester Earl
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written by a person that supports non-smoking establishments.
I don't get the relevance?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:25 am to Salmon
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no....you are willing
Not willing to illegaly breathe secondhand smoke, no.
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you willingly chose to go into that establishment
shite man, this isn't hard
Were we not talking about the establishment breaking laws?
Posted on 1/8/15 at 11:25 am to Houma Sapien
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sounds like you support no smoking in public places, but not the laws that enforce them. without the laws PEOPLE SMOKE IN PUBLIC. hence....the way it 'used to be'
It really is simple. I don't feel we need a ban on smoking in all public and private bars and restaurants. I think we have arrived at a place where the public has demanded non-smoking bars and restaurants sufficient to meet the public preference. Further regulation is needless, onerous and unfairly infringes on the rights of business owners.
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