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re: Don't worry about tipping at Turkey and the Wolf anymore
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:35 am to Fun Bunch
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:35 am to Fun Bunch
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hey were named Best New Restaurant in the Country by Bon Appetit
Which I mean is pretty absurd when you think about what they are offering compared to other restaurants.
Also things aren't going very well for Bon Appetit at the moment.
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Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:37 am to Fun Bunch
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You don’t tip for takeout?
Lol.
I mean I know myself, and most others, aren't tipping the same for takeout as they would for a sit-down meal. Seems silly since a tip is for service during a complete meal, not hopping out you car to grab food in a bag.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:40 am to LSUZombie
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Seems silly since a tip is for service during a complete meal, not hopping out you car to grab food in a bag.
Its all silly. So lets end the charade.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:52 am to jfw3535
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Exactly. I no longer have control over how much I tip if I happen to get really bad service. And I generally tip 20% or more, but if you're putting an automatic tip onto my bill, then I'm not tipping extra, so for my bill, you're costing your server money. I'm not a fan of this model.
This. It's your typical liberal "I feel good about doing this" bullshite that actually harms people. It's never stopped them and never will because the soundbytes sell while the folks suffer.
I've given up on that place, their politics is out of control. I'd like to see how many folks in need they've fed versus how much talking they've done.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:54 am to Shingo
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Exactly. I’m not asked to tip at a place with good service. They will continue to get my money. Not there. Ever.
So what's the difference if they sell a sandwich for $11.50 + 15% service charge vs #13.25 for the sandwich? It's the exact same thing as Chik Fil A. It's just new to them.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 8:57 am to rowbear1922
I think it is fairly obvious that most of the angst in this thread has nothing to do with the tipping model
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:01 am to Salmon
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I think it is fairly obvious that most of the angst in this thread has nothing to do with the tipping model
I think most of the people complaining are doing so because of Mason's over-the-top politics, which is fine to feel however you want about it. When a place like chik fli a has the "tip" automatically in the prices, no problem. When a quick service local place is simply more open about the food cost vs the service cost, all hell breaks loose.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:32 am to rowbear1922
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When a place like chik fli a has the "tip" automatically in the prices, no problem.
I don't think chik fil a has this model.
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When a quick service local place is simply more open about the food cost vs the service cost, all hell breaks loose.
No. It's skirting responsibilities, that is irking people.
Turkey and the wolf owner: "i really want my employees to make more, but how on Earth can i do that?"
Sensable human: "give them raises"
TAW owner: "Your right, i'll eliminate the voluntary tipping model and enforce tipping as a fee. That way i don't have to come out of pocket, and my customers can handle my problem for me"
If you want your employees to make more money, GIVE THEM MORE MONEY. It's not a hard concept. Their politics doesn't help their cause. Though unrelated, people are likely not to feel sorry for a business owner who has an antagonistic view towards a portion of the potential customer base.
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 9:33 am
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:38 am to rowbear1922
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So what's the difference if they sell a sandwich for $11.50 + 15% service charge vs #13.25 for the sandwich?
I think there are laws. If your employee is not receiving tips, then they must get paid minimum wage. IF they do receive tips, then they get paid 1/2 the minimum wage, unless their total tips do not add up to what the minimum wage rate based on the hours worked would be. (correct me if i'm wrong, i was a waiter in college)
Not sure how the law is handled when there is a fee, but if they are still classifying the 15% mandatory gratuity as a "tips" then the owner still gets to not have to pay his people minimum wage. So as stated, the owner gets to "give his people a raise" without having to expend any capital to do so, and putting the burden on the customer.
If this is how it still works, than thats kind of a shitty way to avoid having to pay his people more.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:38 am to BugAC
He is giving them more money. Instead of "increasing prices" to pay for it, he is adding a service fee. Most people would have tipped anyway so its not adding anything to MOST people.
Businesses all over the world already do this.
I do not understand the controversy about this from people that have never eaten there and are never going to.
They aren't sneaking it in. They are up front about it.
Businesses all over the world already do this.
I do not understand the controversy about this from people that have never eaten there and are never going to.
They aren't sneaking it in. They are up front about it.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:39 am to BugAC
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That way i don't have to come out of pocket, and my customers can handle my problem for me"
Every time I get a raise/promotion, my bill rate also goes up
this isn't an uncommon practice, and in fact, I'd argue is pretty standard in business
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:39 am to Fun Bunch
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I do not understand the controversy about this from people that have never eaten there and are never going to.
you know why
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:41 am to Fun Bunch
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He is giving them more money.
He's not, the consumer is.
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Instead of "increasing prices" to pay for it, he is adding a service fee. Most people would have tipped anyway so its not adding anything to MOST people.
Depends. I believe the restaurant is a "pick up at the counter" type of model, correct? If so, i can't imagine tips would be as great as full service restaurant.
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I do not understand the controversy about this from people that have never eaten there and are never going to.
It's a topic on a discussion board. We are discussing.
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They aren't sneaking it in. They are up front about it.
Don't think anyone said they were sneaking it in. People are just questioning the merits behind it.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:43 am to Salmon
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Every time I get a raise/promotion, my bill rate also goes up
this isn't an uncommon practice, and in fact, I'd argue is pretty standard in business
Correct. His employess aren't getting raises. Thus, he's shirking his responsibility to reward his employees for good service, to the consumer. If he wants to give them a raise and up the prices, so be it. As the other poster mentioned, often times an owner will try to find a way to offset the cost. Or, maybe, if the business is performing well, it does not need to offset the cost.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:45 am to BugAC
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His employess aren't getting raises.
some might
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Thus, he's shirking his responsibility to reward his employees for good service, to the consumer.
you say this, but then you say this...
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If he wants to give them a raise and up the prices, so be it.
is this not what he is doing?
also, isn't the standard model for tipping also shirking the responsibility to the consumer to reward for good service?
This post was edited on 9/15/20 at 9:47 am
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:48 am to BugAC
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I don't think chik fil a has this model.
TaTW is moving to hourly wages for their employees, as Mason has clarified on Insta. How is that not like chik fil a?
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No. It's skirting responsibilities, that is irking people.
Turkey and the wolf owner: "i really want my employees to make more, but how on Earth can i do that?"
Sensable human: "give them raises"
TAW owner: "Your right, i'll eliminate the voluntary tipping model and enforce tipping as a fee. That way i don't have to come out of pocket, and my customers can handle my problem for me"
If you want your employees to make more money, GIVE THEM MORE MONEY. It's not a hard concept. Their politics doesn't help their cause. Though unrelated, people are likely not to feel sorry for a business owner who has an antagonistic view towards a portion of the potential customer base.
You have obviously never managed a restaurant before. Do you have any idea how little the margins are in restaurants? It sounds easy to just "GIVE THEM MORE MONEY", but how are they to do that without raising prices? Are they supposed to take a financial loss as a whole? Literally to move from a server's hourly, $2.13 an hour, to an actually hourly amount, they literally MUST increase the overall price in some way, shape or form.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:51 am to rowbear1922
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TaTW is moving to hourly wages for their employees, as Mason has clarified on Insta. How is that not like chik fil a?
So, he WAS paying his counter people half minimum wage previously?
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:51 am to Salmon
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some might
Maybe. I'm not saying "they aren't ever getting raises." I'm saying in this argument, if the idea for mandatory tipping fee is to reward his employees for good work, then he's opting to shift that responsibility to the consumer, rather than himself.
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is this not what he is doing?
Again no. How do you conceive that mandating 15% "service fee" is equitable to giving his employees a raise? Tipping isn't a raise, whether it's voluntary or processed as a fee. You may consider it a raise, if by virtue of good service, the consumer believes you deserve more. But again, the owner is not upping your pay, the consumer is, in this case.
We'll see how it shakes out. If they can survive Latoya, then props to them.
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:55 am to BugAC
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I'm saying in this argument, if the idea for mandatory tipping fee is to reward his employees for good work, then he's opting to shift that responsibility to the consumer, rather than himself.
again...is pretty standard practice among any and all businesses
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Again no. How do you conceive that mandating 15% "service fee" is equitable to giving his employees a raise?
if he uses that money to give them more money? how is it not?
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But again, the owner is not upping your pay, the consumer is, in this case.
its literally the case in lots of business
Posted on 9/15/20 at 9:56 am to Y.A. Tittle
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So, he WAS paying his counter people half minimum wage previously?
This is a problem? I have never and would never work at a fast service place like TaTW, but if the servers were previously on a tipping basis, I don't see an issue with increasing overall prices in order to move them to an hourly system. Restaurants can't go from $2.13 an hour to $10-$12 or more an hour without raising prices.
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