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re: BBQ Q&A - Brisket
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:56 am to Crawfish From Arabi
Posted on 6/12/18 at 11:56 am to Crawfish From Arabi
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That seems excessively long for a 14# brisket (12# trimmed) even at 225*. Sounds like it's an equipment issue. The thermostat could be way off. Try putting one of those cheap oven thermometers in there and do a dry run at whatever temp you want to compare.
Nope, not an equipment issue. I was running my dual probe Maverick, one probe in the flat, the other in a clip near the brisket. The MES was within 5 degrees of 225 every time I checked. It has been rock solid in terms of temps so far. I think I just ended up with a brisket from the most stubborn cow that's ever existed
This post was edited on 6/12/18 at 11:57 am
Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:24 pm to gmrkr5
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gmrkr5
Thanks for the follow up.
My brisket history
- I've attempted 6 or 7 briskets. I haven't' totally ruined any of them but they've all been underwhelming.
- I've tried water pans (and without), fat-side up/fat-side down, wrapping (with butcher paper), and used up to prime grades
- About 20% of the end product approaches what I've eaten in the better BBQ joints. The rest is somewhere between glorified roast beef and beef jerky.
- I usually smoke to just over 200 degF and then remove and wrap in tin foil.
What I think happens
- The water pan tends to steam the brisket so I no longer use them.
- The heat coming-up is not uniform (although the hot-spot should tend to be near the back opposite the vent). So unless the brisket is moved during the smoke one part is going to cook faster than the rest.
- I like fat-side down and using the fat cap as a heat shield. However, this lets a lot of the juices drip down on the charcoal (which alters the smoke flavor - in a bad way IMO). I use drip pans to mitigate this.
All this talk has got me wanting to smoke one but I really want to get a good product.
Have enjoyed the discussion!
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Posted on 6/12/18 at 1:51 pm to Crawfish From Arabi
I have tried a few briskets and I have been pleased with the results. I cut the fat down to about 1/2 inch all around. I rub with kosher salt, coarse grind black pepper and some granulated garlic. I will start it in the evening on my Weber kettle grill until the first batch of charcoal and wood burns down (about 2-3 hours). Then I will move it to a pan, cover with foil, and put it in the oven at 210 overnight. I am a little nervous about leaving a pit going all night long. I don't get any burnt ends obviously but I think the brisket comes out pretty good.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:23 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I have a Daniel Boone and like it a lot but have had a few issues.
Had my very first minor issue with my Jim Bowie this wknd. The low pellet alarm came on when I turned the pit on and it wouldn't go off. Everything else worked fine, the hopper was full, etc. I even shut it off the right way, did a reset on it then turned it back on and there was the alarm again.
I was just smoking some boneless chicken thighs for a jambalaya so it wasn't a long arduous cook. I stayed inside prepping everything else so I didn't have to listen to the alarm. Meantime, I called Green Mountain's customer support. No answer. Left a message. 2 minutes later I got a call back.
Told him what was going on and he said he's putting the part I need in the mail that day and told me how to change it. Very simple. I thanked him for his quick reply and sending me the part needed at no charge. Great customer service.
I'd call them if I was you.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:26 pm to Crawfish From Arabi
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The plan was to save ribs for last. It's the one meat that got me started in bbq, that I feel the most passionate about, the one that I've had the most success with in competition, and the one that I feel like I'd have the most to offer.
I've struggled over the last day or so wether I should even do another bbq q&a, much less the one that will probably receive the most backlash. It's a meat that everyone thinks they make the best or knows someone that has the best, that they're method of cooking is the best and yours is terrible, that is cooked and served in so many different ways. It's basically the crawfish of the bbq world.
And the fact that someone would down vote a mere suggestion for it tells me a lot.
Crawfish, ignore the downvotes. They have clowns throughout this site who will downvote just to be jackasses. No other reason. Do what I do, pay no attention to the votes. You can see the positive response from quite a few of us who enjoy the serious discussions with a competition pro.
Posted on 6/12/18 at 3:40 pm to Centinel
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So...I just set my own personal record for longest smoke ever this weekend.
14 pound prime packer from Costco. Trimmed about 2 pounds of fat off. Was feeling lazy so after I rubbed it with SPOG plus some paprika and let it sit for a few hours I put it in the MES 40 at 225 with alder and hickory in my AMNPS at 830pm. Wake up at 3am, AMPS still going strong, meat at 150.
I had to look up what an MES smoker is. Got it now. What is AMNPS?
FWIW, I like to smoke my briskets at 250. I may go the first hour at 225 if I'm using my pellet smoker because they put off more smoke at lower temps. I also use a smoke tube for this reason too.
I have no idea why yours took as long as it did. Did you buy the brisket at the Houston Fair and Livestock Rodeo?
Posted on 6/12/18 at 6:11 pm to GeauxTigers0107
I love this thread! I’m more of a lurker than a poster but love smoking bbq and I am always wanting to learn and read more about good q.
Alwaysatigr- tell us more about your set up. What type of cooker are you using and is it direct heat or indirect? One of the things I picked up on was the wrapping in foil. If you are going to wrap in foil when it comes off the pit try letting it rest for a good while before you wrap. When it goes straight into the foil it’s still at a cooking temp and the foil makes it more roast like. You could let it rest an hour or so sitting on the counter with a towel over it for an hour or so, then wrap and put it in a cooler or eat it.
Alwaysatigr- tell us more about your set up. What type of cooker are you using and is it direct heat or indirect? One of the things I picked up on was the wrapping in foil. If you are going to wrap in foil when it comes off the pit try letting it rest for a good while before you wrap. When it goes straight into the foil it’s still at a cooking temp and the foil makes it more roast like. You could let it rest an hour or so sitting on the counter with a towel over it for an hour or so, then wrap and put it in a cooler or eat it.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 7:42 am to GeauxTigers0107
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What is AMNPS?
A-maze-en pellet smoker. It's a z-shaped metal tray that holds pellets that you set inside the MES so you're not having to add chips every 30 minutes, and it puts off serious smoke for up to 12 hours. Basically addresses the issue of electric smokers not producing much smoke.
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FWIW, I like to smoke my briskets at 250.
Ya, I'll probably run 250 next time. This was my first time trying it at 225. I usually smoke brisket at 250 as well.
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Did you buy the brisket at the Houston Fair and Livestock Rodeo?
I'm beginning to wonder if that's where Costco sourced that packer I got.
Posted on 6/13/18 at 11:12 am to RMac1
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Alwaysatigr- tell us more about your set up. What type of cooker are you using and is it direct heat or indirect? One of the things I picked up on was the wrapping in foil. If you are going to wrap in foil when it comes off the pit try letting it rest for a good while before you wrap. When it goes straight into the foil it’s still at a cooking temp and the foil makes it more roast like. You could let it rest an hour or so sitting on the counter with a towel over it for an hour or so, then wrap and put it in a cooler or eat it.
BGE - one brisket at a time.
Use lump charcoal (B&B oak) with post oak wood chunks.
I install a plate setter to make it indirect heat. No longer use a water pan but do set a drip pan on top of the plate setter to try and keep the juices from dropping onto the charcoal.
From the OP, I think I prefer fat cap down but have thought about flipping it during the smoke.
I love brisket and think I should be able to do much better. Seems like a lot of variables to account for.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 4:14 am to Crawfish From Arabi
Took y’alls advice and did fat side down this time,
After an hour or so
After 7.5 hrs

After an hour or so
After 7.5 hrs

Posted on 6/17/18 at 6:30 am to BRgetthenet
I put mine on at 9:00 last night. Woke up to find it at 181 while ago. Wrapped and put in a 200 deg oven hang out until lunch. 12ish lb brisket trimmed, salt/pepper/cayenne/chili powder rub, fat cap up, 250 gal propane tank bbqing machine, charcoal/red oak/pecan fire on one end, meat on the other. Old tank is still purring along at about 220 deg. Going to stoke fire and get some chickens going on it after while. Happy dad’s day dads 
Posted on 6/17/18 at 6:32 am to LSUballs
Y’all up the temp during the stall?
Posted on 6/17/18 at 6:46 am to BRgetthenet
I wrap during the stall. The ole Texas crutch. I’m sure you can’t crank the temp up some when it’s wrapped and be fine. I’m just going to baby this one up to 200 today since I’m still 6hrs away from eating it.. .
Posted on 6/17/18 at 8:55 am to BRgetthenet
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Y’all up the temp during the stall?
I usually take it from 225 to 250 at the stall after I wrap in butcher paper.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 10:54 am to Centinel
Got through it. First time I’ve ever seen one drop. Went from 181° to 174.5°, then hit 190° pretty soon there after. I wrapped it in paper, and towel, and it’s in an ice chest. I’ll get a sliced up picture this afternoon.
Gotta say, fat down left a couple of nice little tastes of shtuff on the grate. It was like candy.
Gotta say, fat down left a couple of nice little tastes of shtuff on the grate. It was like candy.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 11:56 am to BRgetthenet
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The stall is real, baw
I starting smoking last summer. Of course I had read/heard about the stall but it still amazed me to see it.
Your brisket today is looking good. Lets see some pics later.
Posted on 6/17/18 at 6:02 pm to AlwysATgr
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AlwysATgr
Didn’t want to get in the brisket arguement because it’s a futile effort. There are competitions and fight for a reason... if it was a simple as a steakhouse more would make money doin it.
I tried my best to get simple tips and the one that makes the biggest difference to me is a 5 Hour rest.
Pinkerton’s & Pit Room in Houston do it very similiar. Ive talked to Grant at Pinkertons and he has a wall of Yeti’s at his place n Houston.... smokes good Prime Creekstone Beef... at 225 for 16 hours. Period. Wraps and puts in icechest for 5-6 hours depending on demand. Never less than 5. Sambrooks is a huge believer in the rest for brisket and beef ribs. Not all have time or desire... but that’s where fatty brisket lovers find the melted fat they want.
Sure, brisket can b tender and fall apart if you cook it long enough.... but juicy and fatty without sacrificing texture is hard to do.
You follow the above if you love fatty brisket and u will enjoy the texture - seasoning us on ur preference.... there will be parts that don’t fit what you are looking for.... get creative for those parts. 1 big brisket can serve many uses on 1 cook - not just sliced beauty.
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