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Anyone deep in the espresso rabbit hole?

Posted on 12/1/21 at 7:51 am
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18286 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 7:51 am
I have a setup arriving today that should theoretically make it so I never have to go to a coffee shop again. I've been researching and my biggest concern is water hardness. I'm planning on getting one of those aquarium test kits to see exactly what my values are, but does anyone here have experience with running tap water through a medium/high-end espresso machine? Trying to make sure I don't scale the thing up and cost myself a fortune in repairs
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76519 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 7:54 am to
How much water are you gonna be running through that thing?

If you're that invested, why not get the 5 gallon water dispensers, or buy jugs of distilled water?
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58762 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 7:56 am to
I have the same questions as KosmoCramer.

Also, what setup did you get? I'm close to pulling the trigger on something myself.
Posted by Ed Osteen
Member since Oct 2007
57486 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:25 am to
They sell big packs of filtered low alkaline water bottles if it’s really a worry
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5354 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:52 am to
I'm 5+ years in of running Prairieville tap hard plumbed into my Rocket machine with zero issues. I switch it to tank every now and then and run descale through as a precaution. Mostly if I've ever noticed any haziness in the water it dispenses.

I bought some test kits and was satisfied with the quality I saw out the tap.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:02 am to
If you are into high end anything you should take the precautions and make sure you are covered at the source. Knowing a few things about coffee I will tell you, water is everything. Test it all you want however for a small cost go buy the water filter designed for coffee consumption or the water filter that will clean the water for what you are looking for. The filter is not just for the taste but also to keep your machine running well so not calcium or water deposits over time build up.

Look at the filter company everpure and call the 1800 #.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18286 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:40 am to
quote:


I have the same questions as KosmoCramer.

Two things that I've found. The first is that having some minerals in your water improves the taste of coffee. If you have no minerals, like distilled, it just tastes kind of flat and watery.

The second is that distilled water can have the opposite effect as too hard water, and it could be corrosive to the boiler in the machine.

I'm not sure to what extent the corrosion vs scale is a factor, but that's what I'm trying to find out.

quote:

Also, what setup did you get?


An ECM Mechanika V Slim with a Eureka Mignon Specialita grinder. The ECM came with a free Acaia Lunar scale ($200 value) and was a couple hundred dollars off for Black Friday. The grinder i found on espresssocoffeeshop.com for $300 cheaper than the US, and the shipping from Italy wasn't any longer than a domestic order.

I'll post a pic once everything is on the counter.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18286 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:46 am to
I appreciate this response. I'm on the northshore, and I dunked one of those test strips in my tap water and got a pretty low hardness. I'm getting the API GH & KH hardness test kit to be extra sure since those strips are pretty vague. But if you haven't had any problems just by running a descale cycle every once in a while, that seems good enough for me.
Posted by Jor Jor The Dinosaur
Chicago, IL
Member since Nov 2014
6579 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:54 am to
Are you Gale Boetticher?


Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5354 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:07 am to
Yeah, our water was very soft. Nearly off the charts low when I tested. I questioned it a bit until having severals sets of family spend time with us. All of them were blown away at how soft the water was when showering. (mostly bitching about soap removal during showering)

We've been here nearly 16 years so it is just normal to me.

I've considered adding an inline carbon filter, but never have. I find at random, the water quality will tank. I blame it more on random changes or maybe not back-flushing often enough. Those are the opportunities that I break out the descale and run it through.

(Edit to above) When I say water quality tanking. I got in the habit of pre-heating my yeti mug for coffee to go with the hot water tap. This water has randomly gotten a little stinky and hazy. A descale has fixed it. Other times, it has gone away without me having a chance to descale.

Descale is the worst part to me. It takes a dedicated half hour to 45 minutes. Drag heavy machine forward, flip to tank mode, mix up solution. Cycle it through. Let it marinate. Then flush flush flush flush flush... flush.

This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 10:13 am
Posted by Demshoes
Up in here
Member since Aug 2015
10199 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:21 am to
Thanks for reminding me to order my Nespresso pods!
Posted by GoAwayImBaitn
On an island in the marsh
Member since Jul 2018
2141 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:39 am to
I'll chime in here. I have a simple DeLonghi EC85, I've made a few mods to it over the years. It works awesome. Anyway, as mentioned, distilled water can actually harm the heating element by causing the metal to corrode. They claim it causes the metal to leach out of the heating element into the distilled water which has no concentration of minerals, sort of trying to reach an equilibrium. Sounds crazy, I've never witnessed it. I've used nothing but distilled water in engines over the years but it was mixed with antifreeze, maybe that's the difference.

I've opened up the boiler on my DeLonghi after 5 years of use only using spring water. It was pristine. Not a drop of mineral build up, no corrosion. I used only spring water from a gallon jug at the store, probably Kentwood most of the time. Now I use filtered Primo water from the store that I get from the Primo water machine (Walmart)

For best espresso, it's hard to beat fresh home roasted beans that are only a few days old after roasting. Grind, pull the shot immediately. You'll notice way more crema than all that stale store bought crap and way more smooth and rich in flavor. There's a big difference.
Posted by RaginCajunz
Member since Mar 2009
5354 posts
Posted on 12/1/21 at 10:48 am to
quote:

For best espresso, it's hard to beat fresh home roasted beans that are only a few days old after roasting. Grind, pull the shot immediately. You'll notice way more crema than all that stale store bought crap and way more smooth and rich in flavor. There's a big difference.


I agree with this. I think it is the most important factor. More than machine, more than water. I got into roasting my own with a hot air popcorn popper, then moved to a little FreshRoast unit. It is amazing how stale and bad beans can taste just a few weeks out from roasting. Espresso seems to really bring out the best and worst in a batch of beans.
Posted by Bgraves
Member since Nov 2021
11 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 11:01 am to
For personal use it wud take years to scale up especially if u clean periodically. Still worried then buy 5 gal of distilled water jugs...
Posted by Pear
Member since Jul 2013
1428 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 2:51 pm to
I have a dual boiler Profitec. I make my water. Look up 70/30 espresso water.
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 4:22 pm to
I was looking at the profetic 600 or 700 yesterday, what model do you have and if you could do it again what would you buy?
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18286 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 4:33 pm to
Forgot to update once it came in. Here's my little coffee station

I love it so far. Looking forward to getting better at it
Posted by NOLATiger71
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2017
1702 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 5:54 pm to
I was looking at the eureka grinder as well. What was your reasoning on the profitec?
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
27600 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 6:02 pm to
We'll see how much you appreciate that cup of joe when that thing transforms into a decepticon and slaughters your family.
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18286 posts
Posted on 12/5/21 at 6:04 pm to
To be honest, I was set on the Lelit Mara X for a long time. I wanted a heat exchanger, but the Mara X drew me in because it doesn't require a cooling flush like most HX machines thanks to Lelit's engineering.

Then on Black Friday, Clive Coffee ran a special where the ECM Mechanika V Slim was $150 off, with the $200 Acaia Lunar scale thrown in for free. It was too good of a deal to pass up. The build quality seems better on the ECM, and because I have to drag it around to refill the tank, it was a better choice than the Lelit which has cheap rubber feet that I've heard pop off easily.

Plus I'm a basic bitch and really like the mirrored panels vs the brushed look of the Lelit.

The grinder, I was going to get a Baratza Sette 270 because it grinds fast and has low retention, and I didn't mind how loud it was. Then I found the Specialita on espressocoffeeshop.com for $360, almost exactly half the price you can get it for in the US. Came in original packaging and was shipped from Italy to my doorstep in 3 days. Unbelievable deal.

I'm big on build quality, so I'm very happy with the combo I got. You can't go wrong with the Profitec either, it just so happened that I got a good deal on my gear.
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