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How do they measure the flow?

Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:32 pm
Posted by hobo with a rolex
everywhere
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:32 pm
What exactly to they use to measure the flow of the river?
Posted by bryso
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:34 pm to
math
Posted by Rocketvapor
Covington
Member since May 2011
42 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:39 pm to
They measure the cross section. Then use Math :)

LINK


or

a rubber ducky and a stop watch
This post was edited on 5/14/11 at 11:42 pm
Posted by paulie
NOLA
Member since Dec 2007
675 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:39 pm to
I'd be interested in knowing myself, but they probably measure the velocity of the water in the river and multiply by the cross sectional area of the water depth.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:47 pm to
quote:

a rubber ducky and a stop watch



Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:48 pm to
quote:

I'd be interested in knowing myself, but they probably measure the velocity of the water in the river and multiply by the cross sectional area of the water depth.


Would velocity be constant when the river is spread out so wide?
Posted by Tigah in the ATL
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:57 pm to
quote:

Would velocity be constant when the river is spread out so wide?
no, but people have figured this out.
Posted by Rocketvapor
Covington
Member since May 2011
42 posts
Posted on 5/14/11 at 11:58 pm to
Probably not, and cross section changes so parameter updates are often added.
If you have the bandwidth this may be an interesting site to bookmark:

LINK

Or this publication that is now on the web.
LINK /

This post was edited on 5/15/11 at 2:20 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 6:41 am to
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Rocketvapor


Outstanding.
Posted by Rocketvapor
Covington
Member since May 2011
42 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 10:55 am to
Thanks.

They may add new-fangled instrumentation (lidar and ultrasonics) to improve measurements, but the old science still works. Flow is Flow.
Predictive math models are "reverse engineered" into historical data not the other way around. Not yet anyway.

and we be adding more of them historical data points right now
This post was edited on 5/15/11 at 10:58 am
Posted by MotorbikeMike
Chackbay
Member since Feb 2009
202 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 11:02 am to
Do you guys know the potential impact of they opening Morganza to 25% capacity rather than the 50% the Inundation maps were based upon? The corp said yesterday during the press conference that they would only have to go to 25% based on the NWS projections for the river. Does this mean half the water heights down the Atchafalaya Basin?
Posted by Wiggles
Berwick, LA
Member since Jul 2010
350 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 11:05 am to
Don't know about half, but the expected crest here in Morgan City is now 11' instead of 12'-13'.
Posted by Rocketvapor
Covington
Member since May 2011
42 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 11:16 am to
The Project flood shows 1.5 million cfs down the basin. I believe this is the max design of the controls. The fuse plug levee isn't expected to flow (250,000 cfs), Morganza at 25% (150,000 csf) and the ORCS at 620,000 EDIT: and about 35,000 cfs from the Red River would give about 800,000 cfs total down the AR and basin.

Hope opening of additional bays is delayed to reduce basin flow rates.
This post was edited on 5/15/11 at 11:24 am
Posted by Icansee4miles
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Posted on 5/15/11 at 11:40 am to
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 5/15/11 at 12:28 pm to
Q=VA
Posted by sheek
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Sep 2007
43974 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 12:55 pm to
I measure flow by farting in a tub of water
Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
21496 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 3:13 pm to
There's really no standard, its just based on how big of a bitch she's being.
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
125507 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 3:16 pm to
There's an app for that.
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 3:18 pm to
quote:

What exactly to they use to measure the flow of the river?



A bunch of folks with coke bottle glasses and tinfoil hats. And thank god for em.
Posted by duchuntintiger
Somewhere
Member since Aug 2008
3617 posts
Posted on 5/15/11 at 8:45 pm to
I don't know what it is but they have beed hanging this airplane looking deal over US 61 by my house in Montz (spillway bridge). Looks like some thing to read water speed or flow.
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