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The talk of refusing to certify.

Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:03 am
Posted by Iowatiger209
Pleasant Hill, IA
Member since May 2021
1044 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:03 am
So do the results of not only the EV but also the popular vote quell all the talk of refusing to certify, or does anyone think they still try this stunt? I honestly don’t think the country would take this lightly if they tried……
Posted by Big Gorilla
Bossier City
Member since Oct 2020
5946 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:03 am to
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but also the popular vote


I was worried until this happened.
Posted by Barbados
Member since Nov 2024
1707 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:03 am to
If they dont certify Jan 6th is going to look like childs play

The jig is up
Posted by Iron Lion
Sipsey
Member since Nov 2014
12821 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:03 am to
They have no choice but to certify
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
450285 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:04 am to
This "they won't certify" meme is for blackpilled dullards
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15317 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:04 am to
I hope they try. I’m up for a good time!
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
86647 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:04 am to
THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!!!

WILL NOT CONCEDE THE ELECTION!!

INSURRECTION!!!
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
51336 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:06 am to
Tell anybody who suggests this that they should lead a violent guerilla war movement against the Fascist Nazi Garbage people of the USA.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
14787 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:09 am to
They MAY have tried this with a narrow Trump win, but this was an absolute arse kicking
Posted by NC_Tigah
Make Orwell Fiction Again
Member since Sep 2003
130795 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:11 am to
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So do the results of not only the EV but also the popular vote quell all the talk of refusing to certify
Results won't totally quell the talk of refusing to certify, but they will mitigate them.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
25750 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:12 am to
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Results won't totally quell the talk of refusing to certify, but they will mitigate them.



Agreed. There will still be a few nutcases talk about it, but nothing substantial.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281843 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:13 am to
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So do the results of not only the EV but also the popular vote quell all the talk of refusing to certify, or does anyone think they still try this stunt?



Not with a margin this large. Theyll just continue to try to force him out via the courts, like they have since 2016,

Posted by IvIerlot
Knoxville, TN
Member since Oct 2022
695 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:21 am to
If Trump had been tried and convicted of insurrection, then they could make it where he would need a 2/3 vote in both houses to gain a pass.

But since he was never convicted of insurrection, they have nothing.

Just because CNN says the word, "insurrection" 1000 times, does not make it so.

Doesn't mean that can't try some stupid crap, like delaying Trump from being able to move into the Whitehouse for a few months.

Whatever it would be, it would be petty, small minded, and weak.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17200 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:29 am to
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So do the results of not only the EV but also the popular vote quell all the talk of refusing to certify, or does anyone think they still try this stunt? I honestly don’t think the country would take this lightly if they tried……
A) it's not a stunt, it is actually a legal procedure provided for by our constitution as a backstop to, in the founders mind, foreign influence. Have to remember, when they ratified the constitution and held the first couple of elections there were a lot of people running around in the 13 states that still thought of themselves as British subjects. The enemy within if you will.

B) It happens all the time. Only once has it really had an effect on the outcome.

C) Any senator or rep can object to any state's electors.

D) If objected to, those objections must be supported by one senator and one rep.

The VP will hear the objections. The houses seperately will vote on their validity. This is where the down ballots matter. If either house votes on the objections, the state can then send alternate electors. The state laws mandate how those are chosen.

PA and MI alternates are chosen by the governor. The will object. The dem senator will back it. If the senate doesn't flip they will uphold the objections. At that point Whitmer and Shapiro will flip MI and PA (combined 34 electors) will go from Trump to Harris putting it at (at this time) 262 for Trump and 258 for Harris.

It will be challenged at the USSC, and lose because this is laid out by law and the consitutuion.

So at this point, Harris need AZ (11) and either Maine (pretty much a lock) or NV.

If AZ goes Trump, this plan does nothing for Harris because she still doesn't get to 270 and Trump does at 273.

So if AZ with their up to 5 days of counting in Maricopa county decides if this plan goes forward or not.
Posted by Lizardman2
Member since Jan 2024
1843 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:30 am to
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They have no choice but to certify

Posted by Lynxrufus2012
Central Kentucky
Member since Mar 2020
16267 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:35 am to
Constitution was written in 1787 and most Tories had left by then. If they attempted to go down the path you noted, then January 6th would be like an ice cream social.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17200 posts
Posted on 11/6/24 at 9:44 am to
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Constitution was written in 1787 and most Tories had left by then. If they attempted to go down the path you noted, then January 6th would be like an ice cream social.
Keep in mind, they knew new states would be added in the future with "adopted" citizens and this was a Republic.

The legislature, both houses, was the last protection from any state grinding the thing to a halt or holding the other states "hostage".

Remember- the slate of electors aren't necessarily chosen by vote. A state decides how those electors are chosen. For that reason, it is quite easy for a governor to do the "hostage" thing in a close electoral college. For that reason electors can be challenged, and if need the house votes on president and senate will vote on VP.
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