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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:06 am to SirWinston
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:06 am to SirWinston
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It's the only motive that makes any sense
Bernie bro motive makes sense too.
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:07 am to DisplacedBuckeye
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quote:Does this mean ISIS had a role in Vegas? There is as yet zero evidence of that.
K. So, really nothing then.
Kinda like the 'Muh Russian' Meuller Investigation.
Time will tell. Even if it's ISIS...what are they going to do; double the bombing in Raqqua.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:10 am to thelawnwranglers
quote:I hope this helps you feel less racist (or more broadly bigoted), although I'm making an assumption about your race, so now I feel like I'm offsetting it:
Personally I know it is racist but if your religion has a dress code it sucks
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:13 am to buckeye_vol
I mean... I am pretty sure it sucks being Amish
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:15 am to MrCarton
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What are their means exactly? How many attacks have involved any ISIS resources? Certainly they've sponsored some acts, but which ones exactly?
The Bataclan massacre, for example, where they were able to sneak full auto AK-47's into fricking France. Blowing up the airliner over Egypt. They have tremendous wealth along with communications capabilities that allow them to pass technical information on how to modify weapons, make bombs, and carry out attacks. If they find someone overseas interested in doing their bidding, they have the means to coach them up with their expertise whereas most middle aged white guys who have been accountants their whole life might not be real skilled in weapons, bombs, cameras, tactics, etc.
They don't have to provide material aid to have the means to contribute to attacks.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:15 am to RCDfan1950
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Even if it's ISIS...what are they going to do; double the bombing in Raqqua.
Yeah all this talk is missing the forest for the trees. Let's play pretend that ISIS provided actual logistic support for this. What war do we get into because of it?
We attacked Afghanistan for the actions of Saudi Arabia last time.
You know, those frickers in Jordan have been getting pretty uppity.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:15 am to someoneBEE
What took him so long?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:18 am to SirWinston
quote:He wasn't. He was defending functioning brains.
Stop defending Islam.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:28 am to ChewyDante
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They don't have to provide material aid to have the means to contribute to attacks.
I never claimed this.
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The Bataclan massacre, for example, where they were able to sneak full auto AK-47's into fricking France
Right. Probably a great example of an attack that ISIS is actually involved in.
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Blowing up the airliner over Egypt.
We don't know that much about this one. Lots of planes blown up for lots of reasons.
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They have tremendous wealth along with communications capabilities that allow them to pass technical information on how to modify weapons, make bombs, and carry out attacks
Yeah, they had some money. A lot of it is gone now as their areas in Iraq and Syria shrink and they lose people to airstrikes. All these things are ISIS capabilities. Absolutely.
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If they find someone overseas interested in doing their bidding, they have the means to coach them up with their expertise whereas most middle aged white guys who have been accountants their whole life might not be real skilled in weapons, bombs, cameras, tactics, etc.
Agreed. So show me specifically where they have done this. If they haven't even done this, then claiming them responsible for an attack, is stupid.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:36 am to TX Tiger
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Stop defending Islam.
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He wasn't. He was defending functioning brains.
If this is tied to ISIS, I'm gonna need to see a lot of convincing evidence before I believe it is other than a 'false flag.'
I am pretty firmly assigning this as an example of the black swan theory.
I think if a political bias were the issue there would have to be some trace of his activities on social media or from real life acquaintances.
However - I do find the LACK of any sort of social trail to be very suspicious. That would indicate a 'Manchurian Candidate' type of decades long subterfuge.
I pretty much shun every form of 'social media' but I have poked my toes in that water enough to be pretty fairly and quickly analyzed. There appears to be nothing there for this guy.
TigerDroppings is my primary vice.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:41 am to ChineseBandit58
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If this is tied to ISIS, I'm gonna need to see a lot of convincing evidence before I believe it is other than a 'false flag.'
I am pretty firmly assigning this as an example of the black swan theory.
I think if a political bias were the issue there would have to be some trace of his activities on social media or from real life acquaintances.
However - I do find the LACK of any sort of social trail to be very suspicious. That would indicate a 'Manchurian Candidate' type of decades long subterfuge.
I pretty much shun every form of 'social media' but I have poked my toes in that water enough to be pretty fairly and quickly analyzed. There appears to be nothing there for this guy.
TigerDroppings is my primary vice
This might be the best post on this thread.
I don't think he's a Manchurian type, i think he's just crazy. But most possibilities are open in my mind.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 9:46 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:44 am to Tiguar
quote:It would sure seem like it.
I mean... I am pretty sure it sucks being Amish
On a related note, we went to the zoo last month, and apparently it must have been day wherever groups of Amish came down from Amish country.
At one point I was walking against the flow of traffic back the the restroom, and there was an Amish female walking right behind a Muslim female, and both had their head coverings.
It was a strange juxtaposition seeing the similarities in their religious dress, yet realizing that we probably (myself included) view the moral implications differently.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:47 am to buckeye_vol
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On a related note, we went to the zoo last month, and apparently it must have been day wherever groups of Amish came down from Amish country.
We have a shite ton of Amish and Mennonites here. Mennonites are always walking around wal mart in their muslim garb. Probably terrorists.
Amish like to sell crafts and food on the roadside. They have been extremely rude every time I've looked to buy from them, so i dont now.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 9:48 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:53 am to MrCarton
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Agreed. So show me specifically where they have done this. If they haven't even done this, then claiming them responsible for an attack, is stupid.
Why would I have to show you specifically where they've done that? Even if I was privy to secret ISIS communications, which obviously I'm not, and I'm sure they have plenty communications that circumvent our intelligence agencies as it is, it has nothing to do with whether they could be involved in this. Again, we know they have the means to communicate this information.
And I never claimed them responsible for the attack, nor did the article, so I'm not sure what you are arguing here. My statement was that they shouldn't be ruled out given the information that has been made public.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:37 pm to MrCarton
quote:We would occasionally go to Amish Country to shop at their stores when I was younger. Apparently their known for their craftsmanship, better than those who use fancy equipment. But I've always wondered if that was just basically PR that kept being repeated that eventually people just accepted as fake.
Amish like to sell crafts and food on the roadside. They have been extremely rude every time I've looked to buy from them, so i dont now.
From what I remember, they were like most groups of people, nice, rude, and everywhere in between. I wonder if maybe those who are rude, are less inclined to fake it and act nice in their culture, unlike our own.
I do find it odd how well they've resisted societal changes and maintained their traditional lifestyles, despite making it a lot tougher than it could be. I think they have accepted some "modern luxuries" but they seem to be more necessities and maybe a few decades behind. I
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:40 pm to Jyrdis
Sadly I believe Isis over MSM now
Posted on 10/6/17 at 2:48 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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ISIS
WAS
NOT
BEHIND
THE
LAS
VEGAS
ATTACK
Sorry, I'm starting to hear different
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