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someoneBEE
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
Please go through her thread not just the article.

https://twitter.com/rcallimachi/status/915998590153129984

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9. Everytime ISIS claimed an attack in West, I jotted it down. Month later, I've gone back over list & annotated what investigation found


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10. My list is not complete but of the more than 50 cases I have annotated, I could only find 3 false claims.


someoneBEE
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
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@JakeGodin

Replying to @JakeGodin @rcallimachi @AmarAmarasingam

Given the ISIS claim, should probably be noted that he also said he hadn't talked to his brother in 6 months: LINK


JuiceTerry
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
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of the more than 50 cases I have annotated, I could only find 3 false claims.
So a 1 in 16 chance that ISIS may claim the worst mass shooting in American history to cause panic in the US?

That's what you call a great value bet


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cave canem
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
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She's been following ISIS closely since it's inception.


So have millions of other people, what qualifies her as an expert?


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buckeye_vol
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Funny she gave a radio interview Sunday and said a lot of these same things but didn't think ISIS was behind it.
She didn't even say she thinks ISIS is behind it. She just said not dismiss it as a possibility, based on previous claims.

And I think that's logical because we can't dismiss any possibility without any evidence supporting any possibility, and because they are generally accurate, the claims themselves merely solidifies this as a possibility.

And I would bet she thinks this, but the accuracy of the previous claims, especially since some have been verifiably false, isn't actual evidence of anything about this.

It would be like using a basketball player's high free throw percentage of his 50 previous attempts, is evidence that he made the 51st free throw attempt, even though that attempt was done in completely different conditions, like outside in a rainy and windy day.

In this case, the completely different conditions are that a white, 60+ years old, with no history of Islamic beliefs and no known affiliation to Islam, committed an act of Islamic Terrorism.

In fact, I'm wondering if any of the previous 50 attacks that were verified as true, was committed by a person who had no known history of Islamic Beliefs until the attack.


MrCarton
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
Bull shite article and her premise is fricking trash.


Giving ISIS credit for attacks they have ZERO operational involvement with is fricking retarded. ISIS and previously IS, have made hundreds or thousands of false claims since their inception in the mid 2000s. Their incentive to claim attacks is obvious. They can and have claimed numerous attacks simply because it would be near impossible to prove they are lying, and their fan boys have little incentive to to rationally analyze their claims.

Unless shite dick Paddock had some kind of direct link to an ISIS resource, then their claim to credit is as credible as nick Saban claiming credit for Harvey Updike.


buckeye_vol
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
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Given the ISIS claim, should probably be noted that he also said he hadn't talked to his brother in 6 months:
It should also be noted that the ISIS claim came after the brother reported that he hadn't talked to him in the last 6 months.

In other words, we can't argue that their timeline as meaningful, because is supported by aspects of an independent party's timeline, when the independent party's timeline was known before their timeline.

That would be like providing a state witness a timeline before his/her, then arguing that because his/her testimony is supported by the timeline, it's evidence of the accuracy of the testimony.


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MrCarton
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
NYT is apparently cool with carrying water for ISIS. Nay, they are exuberant about doing so. They are doing so while admitting they have no evidence for the claim. Pathetic. Disgusting.

I can't and won't state that paddock had no ties to ISIS. He very well could have. The attack has some similarities to other Islamic terrorist attacks and I initially expected the shooter to be a Muslim extremist. So far though, thst doesn't appear to be supported and ISIS failure to provide pre planned products demonstrating their ties with the shooter leads me to believe they have no involvement. Considering their propaganda savvy, I find it unlikely that they would neglect to get a Paddock selfie with an ISIS flag or some other evidence prior to the event.
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texashorn
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IF it comes out confirmed that this was ISIS, then all hell will break loose. You will see a public outcry for justice from the American people like never before, perhaps since 9/11.

I thought this possible (with an outraged left on board, to boot) after 49 people were slaughtered in that gay bar.

The left did not get on board because they openly and belligerently hate our country now, and they were still shamed into submission after 9/11.

PS: I've always thought it a mistake to profile Muslims because there are plenty of American whites, blacks and browns who would willingly work with ISIS.

I firmly place all of this at the feet of liberals and "moderates."


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Does this mean ISIS had a role in Vegas? There is as yet zero evidence of that. My point: This group has been more right than its been wrong


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NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.



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MrCarton
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PS: I've always thought it a mistake to profile Muslims because there are plenty of American whites, blacks and browns who would willingly work with ISIS


Not sure I'm tracking here. Muslims can be any color. There were thousands of whites fighting fornISIS in Iraq and Syria. They had entire units composed of euro and eastern euro fighters. Some of their top field commanders were white as snow. All Muslims.


MrCarton
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She didn't even say she thinks ISIS is behind it. She just said not dismiss it as a possibility, based on previous claims.



She did her job of keeping the fear alive without completely hemming herself in. Her premise was bullshite, as you pointed out, but she knows that popular sentiment and general fear will get her a bump and publishers everywhere love shite like this.
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texashorn
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
I'm talking about non-Muslims.


MrCarton
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I'm talking about non-Muslims


Ehhhh, I don't know. I haven't heard of that ever happening. I've heard of non Muslims getting their heads removed by ISIS, and I've heard of white Muslim Americans being treated so poorly they wished they were dead.


LSUconvert
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It's the only motive that makes any sense


Please explain.


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texashorn
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
They don't have to live with them or like them. I'm not talking about some goofy, confused white kid who ends up dead or a sex toy.


MrCarton
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
The most obvious case of non Muslims supporting ISIS right now are these outlets that are lending credibility to an unsubstantiated claim made by a terrorist organization with a history of lying and excellent propaganda production. Their click bait is ISIS' recruiting tool. Funny how they crush Trump for "optics" and "messaging" while playing directly into the terrorist playbook.

They can do whatever they want and print what they want, but they deserve a rational criticism from a respected voice right now. If the guy is an ISIS operative, then expect to see the media double down on this in the future, and expect ISIS to double down with this messaging too. Not good.


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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
I mean, ISIS did put out a video months ago of the Vegas strip. That video caused the LVMPD do a drill on open shooters weeks ago.

I have no idea if ISIS was behind it now do I care; I guess what worries me, is people like you, who are ADAMANT, that they didn't play a role in it.


texashorn
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re: NYT's ISIS expert: ISIS likely behind LV attack.
There comes a point where appeasement and diplomacy and "treading lightly" no longer works. What Trump said about diplomacy with North Korea being destined for failure probably applies to ISIS.

And yes, that means war and the death if women and children, innocent or not.


MrCarton
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I guess what worries me, is people like you, who are ADAMANT, that they didn't play a role in it.



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