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re: Do we re-sign Josh Hart?
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:40 am to iwyLSUiwy
Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:40 am to iwyLSUiwy
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Assuming Bledsoe and Lonzo are gone, we'll obviously have the space but if he comes out asking 4 years/15 million,
This entire sentence is evidence that you have no idea how NBA contracts work.
We are stuck w/ Bledsoe for at least another year. Nobody is going to want to trade for that overpaid bum, until he's an expiring, which he isn't for 2 more years.
Josh Hart is going to get FAR more than 3.75 mil a year.
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Posted on 5/7/21 at 8:45 am to YungFO
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until he's an expiring, which he isn't for 2 more years.
He only has a small partial guarantee on that last year. This offseason he'll be the same place in his contract that Asik was when they traded Asik and a 1st for Mirotic and a 2nd. I would expect we'll see a similar kind of deal this offseason of Bledsoe and picks for a useful player.
This post was edited on 5/7/21 at 8:46 am
Posted on 5/7/21 at 9:01 am to YungFO
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This entire sentence is evidence that you have no idea how NBA contracts work.
We are stuck w/ Bledsoe for at least another year. Nobody is going to want to trade for that overpaid bum, until he's an expiring, which he isn't for 2 more years.
Yeah, uh, Bledsoe won't be on this team next year, you can bet your arse on that one.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 12:47 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Nobody is going to want to trade for that overpaid bum, until he's an expiring, which he isn't for 2 more years.
Actually he’s technically an expiring next year. Also guess you never heard a team call OKC. If hortford and cp3 can get traded with their contracts, Bledsoe can easily get traded with his.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 1:33 pm to YungFO
Wrong. Bledsoe will not be a Pelican next year.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:26 pm to Soggymoss
quote:Considering we'll likely try to avoid the tax or not go deep into it, how in the world does Ball(and even Bledsoe) have no bearing on whether we keep Hart or not?
Naji, Bledsoe, Adams, Ball, none of them have any bearing on whether we keep Josh or not. He will sign for around MLE price, as that will be his market with a bunch of contenders after him.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:30 pm to shel311
If they want to keep Hart, nobody will have any bearing on that. We already know they want to move Bledsoe's contract, that will happen this offseason regardless.
There's plenty of maneuverability they can do with the cap
There's plenty of maneuverability they can do with the cap
Posted on 5/7/21 at 4:51 pm to Macintosh504
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In what world is Hart getting 15 mil a year. Unless you mean 4 years 15 mil total. In which case that’s a steal
Just getting on since I started this post. I meant 12 mil a year.
I've always figure 9-10 a year was going to be the asking price but I was throwing out the high end.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:01 pm to touchdownjeebus
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All bullshite aside, I may cancel my tix if we don’t keep Josh. He isn’t THE guy, but we need to build this team around Zion with guys like Josh.
I don't think trading Lonzo is a done deal. If we make the mistake and overpay him (22-25 mil per), then Harts contract becomes a something to seriously think about. We could still give him 10 per but then you're essentially running it back. To me, Naji brings a lot to the table in the same area Josh does. Small sample size but he's probably the better shooter but doesn't rebound as well. So you have a guy that could be elite on defense and is the shooter you would like Josh to be.
I'm also of the opinion if you give Lonzo 20-22 mil, he still has decent trade value.
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:04 pm to YungFO
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This entire sentence is evidence that you have no idea how NBA contracts work.
We are stuck w/ Bledsoe for at least another year. Nobody is going to want to trade for that overpaid bum, until he's an expiring, which he isn't for 2 more years.
ok bud
Posted on 5/7/21 at 5:42 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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I'm also of the opinion if you give Lonzo 20-22 mil, he still has decent trade value.
Lonzo is still an improving player, and I don't see why people want to get rid of him. I'm not a Lonzo stan and actually wanted him traded back in March, but I'm not opposed to keeping him on any deal under $24 million.
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We could still give him 10 per but then you're essentially running it back.
Not if we attach some picks to Bledsoe and get back a top-50 player, which I expect us to do. That, plus improvement from all our young players, is something that I think would get us into the top-4 in the West. I have been so impressed with the defensive improvement in NAW and Jaxson, Naji has been a revelation, and Zion's defense improved a lot during the season. Put some weight on Kira and he'll be a much better defender as well. Ideally, we'd upgrade on Adams as well, but that's a little harder to do.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:19 am to GOP_Tiger
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think would get us into the top-4 in the West.
klay+curry. green
lebron + davis
gobert + mitchell
jokic + murray. porter
kahwi+george
your current nominees for 2021-2022 top five right there.
some darn good #3 guys on some of those teams too.
i accept that ingram may awaken as beast mode but right now hes tentative with game on line.
if pels get 7th next year its due to health and improvements to naw and hayes and zion.
TDGM needs to move bledsoe.
TdGM needs to cut bait on kira. he needs more than weight.
make a splash. trades and picks. wheel and deal.
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 8:50 am
Posted on 5/9/21 at 12:18 pm to CelticDog
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TdGM needs to cut bait on kira. he needs more than weight
That's certainly an unexpected take. Why do you think that we need to get rid of Kira?
Posted on 5/9/21 at 1:35 pm to GOP_Tiger
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Why do you think that we need to get rid of Kira?
I'm not eager to move him but hes on the table.
he has thrilling speed.
he cant deal with big people and the avg player in nba is 6 7".
in my youth traveling, steps and carry were all called. you could press and force big guys into floor errors.
due to referees allowing Dr J, Magic and MJ to travel, steps and carry, now refs allow ordinary guys steps or carry.
kira could steal magic blind if the rules were enforced. they dont.
he should be a force but hes a liability.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 1:36 pm to CelticDog
the most excitement was seeing your team press and force floor errors.
that's gone.
that's gone.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 2:09 pm to iwyLSUiwy
I'd like to see Josh back next year. We've missed his game although it hasn't, as of yet, put us over the top. Josh needs to become a better shooter to round out his game. He's the exact role piece you need on a contender. I agree with you, I think he'll actually compete more with Naji than NAW and Didi for a role on this team.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 2:11 pm to CelticDog
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he should be a force but hes a liability.
I don't agree that Kira is a liability. He has positive win shares and the team is a point better per 100 possessions with him on the floor.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 2:33 pm to GOP_Tiger
Kira has met expectations and has an elite skill ... SPEED. He's just really undersized at this point. He's like a lot of players on this team that really need a full offseason to gain some weight and get stronger. I think Griff and Langdon need to send Zo, BI, NAW, Hayes, Gabriel, and Kira to the Saints off-season conditioning program .... lol
Posted on 5/9/21 at 2:37 pm to GOP_Tiger
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I don't agree that Kira is a liability.
He is today. He has trouble staying in front of his man and uses his elite speed to catch up. When he figures out how to use his speed to stay in front of him the whole time, he'll be a good defender. He may never be super switchable, but honestly letting him play free safety from the weak side might lean into his strengths more. He's shown good ball hawking instincts.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 6:22 pm to CelticDog
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he should be a force but hes a liability.
Yea I'm not buying that at all. I mean he just turned 20 and given the minutes he's gotten, he's about where you'd expect him to be. I think his ceiling is higher than NAWs. I don't want to get rid of either but if I had to choose, Kira > NAW. I'd also prefer to trade future picks over Kira. I'd like to see what these guys develop into instead of having a cycle of 20 year olds come in.
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