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So, Darius Miller was a nice draft pick...

Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:17 pm
Posted by jptiger2009
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2009
9616 posts
Posted on 11/13/17 at 9:17 pm
I don't know bout all that, but good teams find a way to win. And, he was huge in that 2nd half! That's a quality $500k!!

Excuse my inner David Wesley...
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
Member since Jul 2010
17457 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:47 am to
He has a sweet stoke!
Posted by TigrrrDad
Member since Oct 2016
7102 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 7:59 am to
So many of these games we just wouldn't have won last year. Sucks that we played like shite, but we got it done. Darius has a nice stroke indeed. And it's not like it's a fluke that he's been hitting his shots - he's just finally doing what we knew he did overseas and thought he could do here when we signed him. I wish he had hit that last one late that would have put it away, simply because he deserved the moment.
Posted by CocoLoco
Member since Jan 2012
29108 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 8:38 am to
Miller is 43% from 3 on the year. Pleasant surprise lately
Posted by Tigersfan
Member since Feb 2006
2637 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:13 am to
Is it time to start gradually reducing Dante's minutes and increasing Millers? We really need that outside threat with Boogie and Davis on the floor and Dante seems to just be off this year from the corner.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61449 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:31 am to
No doubt. Greg Buckner said Miller should be starting on the Post Game show last night but I think I like him in a bench role. He just got his confidence going, don't crush it with more pressure. Plus once Solo comes back he probably should be the change of pace off the bench anyway.
Posted by Tigersfan
Member since Feb 2006
2637 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:54 am to
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Plus once Solo comes back he probably should be the change of pace off the bench anyway.


What's the realistic time table for Hill to return?
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61449 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 9:55 am to
Probably February is the closest we've gotten to a time table.
Posted by SoFresh
New Orleans
Member since May 2010
3068 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:08 am to
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Plus once Solo comes back he probably should be the change of pace off the bench anyway.


Is Solo slated to come back this season? I can't remember what the latest is on him.

EDIT: My bad. Didn't see response above.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 10:21 am
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:21 am to
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Probably February is the closest we've gotten to a time table.


The standard recovery timetable for a proximal hamstring tear is 6-8 months. Late February would put him 6 months out, late April would be 8 months.

That is the standard timetable, but last year Middleton had surgery Sept 28th and returned Feb 8th just over 4 months later. Solo had his surgery on Aug 27th, so he could return as early as the second week of January if he recovers as well as Middleton.

There is also the possibility that even if he does come back early it may be with diminished capability. That is a serious injury from which some athletes do not fully recover. Middelton at least gives me hope for a productive Solo contributing this season.

Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:49 am to
I would hesitate to put him in the starting lineup just yet. For one I would want to keep building his confidence against back ups before he starts having the George’s, Durant’s, and Butler’s of the world primarily guarding him...And having to guard them.

Though with Rondo coming back it may need to happen to give us another reliable shooter.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 10:56 am to
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Though with Rondo coming back it may need to happen to give us another reliable shooter.



Exchanging Etwaun for Rondo in the starting lineup is going to pretty much necessitate starting Miller over Cunningham for spacing. It would be one thing if Cunningham was a known shooter just slumping where you could definitively say his shot will come around, but he is a career 32% 3pt shooter with last year's 39% being a serious outlier.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:06 am to
What’s discouraging with Cunningham this year is that he really only started taking threes two seasons ago. Where he shot 32%. Then went on to shoot even more threes last season and shot 39%.

To regress not only below last season, but below the first season you expanded your game is troubling. It suggests he should return to the mean somewhere from 32-39% but it has just been ugly so far. Last year he hit 41% from the corner three, this year he’s at 29.6% from the corner three. That’s just not acceptable. Not when he is getting so many open looks.
This post was edited on 11/14/17 at 11:06 am
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:28 am to
Also out of curiosity, since it is what we desperately need, Miller is currently shooting 46% on catch and shoot threes for the season. Averaging 2.6 a game.

If he could scale that up you would be looking at a really complimentary player.

For reference the best in that category this season has to be Covington. Who is shooting 49% on over 7 catch and shoot shots a game. Not likely Miller can do that, but if he could maintain 40 percent on 3-5 catch and shoot shots a night, he would be the ideal fit when Rondo comes back.

..... on a side note, this team with a player like Covington who knocks down 49% on 7 catch and shoot threes a game, with very good defense, would probably have us at least 2, more wins right now.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
61449 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Who is shooting 49% on over 7 catch and shoot shots a game. Not likely Miller can do that,


He did it in Europe. This was a stat some Euroblogger tweeted out around the time we signed Miller.

quote:

Darius Miller had one of the top shooting seasons of any player in Europe posting a massive eFG% of 71% on catch & shoot jumpers in 2017.


I don't know exactly how that converts to catch and shoot 3s, but I think it suggests that what we're seeing now isn't just some aberrant hot streak and he can probably end up with one of the best 3P% in the league with the amount of open looks he should get.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25456 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 11:56 am to
Miller doesnt' need to start.

Rondo comes back and then Dante needs to move to backup 4, with Diallo at backup 5.
Let Moore start at the 3. When you play a team with one of the premier 3's in the league, then start Allen over Moore.

Rondo/Nelson
Jrue/Clark
Moore/Miller
AD/Dante
Cousins/Diallo
That's the rotation.
On days Allen needs to play instead of Moore, let Moore take Clarks place at backup 2.

No telling what the team looks like when Solo comes back. He'll be coming back after the trade deadline, and the timetable of Asiks possible retirement. Lots of things can change by that time.
Posted by corndeaux
Member since Sep 2009
9634 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:27 pm to
maybe. i would not pencil that in just yet though.

thrilled he's shooting lights out. it's still just 44 3PA. 3PT shooting can be fluky. look at Covington, with his 50% from 3 on 96 3PA. the last two years he shot 35% and 33% on 482 and 412 3PA. did he improve or just hot? which is the truer reflection? are his looks/% different with time next to a passer/creator like Simmons? etc etc etc

will be interesting to see if teams start respecting Miller's shot. the Hawks, one of the better coached teams in the league, clearly didnt. and they got burned. but if he keeps this up, teams will adjust. that should hopefully help Boogie, Davis, and any of the slashers/cutters.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:32 pm to
Frankly with the way Jrue is playing, I’m open to returning him to super sub and starting Moore and Miller if Jrue doesn’t show major improvement with Rondo.... I mean not truly, but it’s sort of tempting.

We have to get guys that best alleviate pressure off AD and Cousins who are getting swarmed because no one respects our role players. Guys who wont risk possessions with careless turnovers(Jrue). Get to the rim and make smart plays inside and cut(like Moore, like Jrue does when he’s not indecisive). We also need guys that can knock down catch and shoot shots(Miller 46%, Moore 38%....Jrue 28%, Cunningham 29%). Ignoring contracts and all that stuff, frankly, Rondo, Moore, and Miller make the most sense in that context until Jrue figures stuff out. Who despite improving the defense while on the floor, overall has lowered the net rating of Cousins and AD when all three are together.

In reality though, Rondo helps get the turnovers under control and have cleaener possessions, getting the team better shots(also a solid rebounder). So you want him starting. Jrue by default gets the nod but he lacks the ability to catch and shoot or draw fouls. Which is a liability. So I hesitate with Moore because while he looks good, he still isn’t a reliable knock down shooter, doesn’t really draw fouls, is a bit undersized, and with teams not respecting our shooters to guard the bigs and the paint, his ability to cut and play inside is severely nullified. Miller has at least shown the capacity to be that floor spreader. Which helps alleviate Davis and Cousins, while drawing defenders away if Jrue becomes more aggressive attacking with Rondo.
Posted by NOFOX
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2014
9933 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:44 pm to
I was just watching the Miller highlights and forgot that last made 3 to put us ahead at the end was only assisted by Jrue losing his dribble with the ball luckily rolling to Miller in the corner.
Posted by bonhoeffer45
Member since Jul 2016
4367 posts
Posted on 11/14/17 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

will be interesting to see if teams start respecting Miller's shot. the Hawks, one of the better coached teams in the league, clearly didnt. and they got burned. but if he keeps this up, teams will adjust. that should hopefully help Boogie, Davis, and any of the slashers/cutters.


That’s a good point as well. That is always something to keep in mind when previously unknown guys begin hitting shots, or a role player expands his range or role on a team, how will they respond when the adjustment kicks in? When defenders no longer leave them wide open and start to break them down on film and game plan for them? When elite guys match up with them? Or just instead of hiding bad defenders on him you put good ones on them. Will their strengths suffer if they are asked to move into a more prominent role with more responsibilities?

That said, it is always going to be a bit of a pick your poison with the presence of AD and Boogie. Are you really going to let Boogie start driving or catching in the post one on one to guard Miller? Same with AD? Sacrifice the paint in order to shadow Miller knowing Rondo and Jrue can cut inside with the best of them or drive and score?

I’m optimistic given the scheme and mechanics of Miller that he should be able to eventually fill that much needed role. But time will tell.
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