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re: I'm just catching up with today's news... mid to late first rounder for SP? F that noise.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:55 am to Rand AlThor
Posted on 1/17/23 at 11:55 am to Rand AlThor
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If we “play hard ball” like y’all want to, we end up with nothing. Sean is only contracted for 2 more seasons, 2023 and 2024. If we wait until next offseason, he will be worth significantly less. And obviously if we wait after that, he walks and signs elsewhere for free.
Or the Saints could sue for breach of contract and ask the years to be rolled over into perpetuity or until he comes back and coaches 3 seasons with Saints to complete it.
Some of y'all want to talk about being petty, but Payton quit on this team that he built with his poor choices to try and get on a better team with more flexibility.
He was a coward and should be held accountable. Get a great return, or hold him into perpetuity. I know that happens with rights for a player for x-number of years and that's with them not signing a contract. This guy signed the contract.
In the end, if it is not a high first (top 10), then it can be multiple picks with a mid- to late-first grade.
In the end, Saints do hold the leverage.
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:00 pm to Geauxgurt
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He was a coward and should be held accountable. Get a great return, or hold him into perpetuity.
This isn't slavery you can't just hold his rights in perpetuity.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:18 pm to Dizz
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This isn't slavery you can't just hold his rights in perpetuity.
Slaves don’t get paid 12 million a year dude.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:24 pm to Dizz
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This isn't slavery you can't just hold his rights in perpetuity.
So he just gets to walk away from owing us 3 years of his services? He is the one who chose to “retire.”
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:40 pm to Dizz
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This isn't slavery you can't just hold his rights in perpetuity.
If they willingly went under contract, you aren't forcing him to work, but he cannot work in the NFL until he meets that obligation.
This slavery comparison is ridiculous seeing as slavery is not a choice.
1) Payton can choose to fulfill the contract
2) Come to terms on a buyout
3) Come to an agreement that is fair to the Saints to compensate him breaching the contract and working elsewhere
4) Stay retired
It is amazing to me that some of you think the Saints have to be held accountable if they choose to move on, but Payton does not?
I am also not thinking they should get a top 3 pick for this, but #12 plus some filler like one of their 3rds makes sense.
Arizona's 2nd rounder this year and first next year (considered equivalent to a 2nd in this draft) would be reasonable.
Texan's 2nd rounder this year and the better of the Houston/Cleveland 1st next year is also an option that would be reasonable.
They aren't getting 2 firsts and 2 seconds, and anyone thinking that is stupid.
In reality though, they should be getting a
Posted on 1/17/23 at 12:57 pm to Geauxgurt
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Or the Saints could sue for breach of contract and ask the years to be rolled over into perpetuity or until he comes back and coaches 3 seasons with Saints to complete it.
Other than almost assuredly losing, this would do wonders with the Saints when they go to hire their next coach
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Other than almost assuredly losing, this would do wonders with the Saints when they go to hire their next coach
This. It's the same shite as people who wanted to fire DA after 8 games or whatever. You can't just do stuff like that in the NFL and expect to continue to attract top coaching and player talent
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:39 pm to Geauxgurt
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Or the Saints could sue for breach of contract and ask the years to be rolled over into perpetuity or until he comes back and coaches 3 seasons with Saints to complete it.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:45 pm to tunechi
LOL
Imagine Payton coaching the Saints for 3 years under court order.
Imagine Payton coaching the Saints for 3 years under court order.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 1:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Other than almost assuredly losing, this would do wonders with the Saints when they go to hire their next coach
It would go to arbitration and the arbitrator would determine Sean’s trade value if any. It wouldn’t go to court since his contract almost certainly has an arbitration clause.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/17/23 at 2:36 pm to goatmilker
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Crazy that
It's such an insane concept it's difficult for some to grasp
Posted on 1/17/23 at 5:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Other than almost assuredly losing, this would do wonders with the Saints when they go to hire their next coach
So what is the point of the contract if someone can just sit out until it expires with no recourse?
Plenty of contracts roll over if someone takes time away to protect the employer. Hell, this should be the standard to stop coaches from using it as an out.
Teams are expected to honor the contract, but not the coaches?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:27 pm to drizztiger
People expecting Gruden comp. Be prepared to be extremely disappointed. Loomis gonna do a buddy deal for scraps. Which is why he has to be removed from the GM position.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 6:45 pm to Geauxgurt
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So what is the point of the contract if someone can just sit out until it expires with no recourse? Plenty of contracts roll over if someone takes time away to protect the employer. Hell, this should be the standard to stop coaches from using it as an out. Teams are expected to honor the contract, but not the coaches?
Exactly. Compensation has to be high enough to discourage coaches from “needing a break” and wanting to coach the same year they “needed a break” like payton. I dont believe a “mid to late” first rounder is enough to discourage that. Heck, miami had no problem tampering with payton and brady and lost multiple picks for it.
Posted on 1/18/23 at 6:09 am to Geauxgurt
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So what is the point of the contract if someone can just sit out until it expires with no recourse?
Well I don't think he's being paid his salary, which is the big issue. We just retain his rights for the length of the contract, but aren't obligated to pay him the consideration of the contact.
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Plenty of contracts roll over if someone takes time away to protect the employer.
Coaches are more valuable than these employees. Much more valuable.
*ETA: I also think the retention of rights rules are from the NFL, not contract law.
This post was edited on 1/18/23 at 6:11 am
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