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re: I'm just catching up with today's news... mid to late first rounder for SP? F that noise.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:08 am to LSUZombie
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:08 am to LSUZombie
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Nah I’d rather have draft picks to help rebuild than be petty and let him walk for nothing. Also the “but Gruden got this…”, that shite was over 20 years ago. It doesn’t apply to today’s NFL
fricking this man.
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Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:08 am to beauchristopher
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I just don't understand how multiple high draft picks is frowned upon when it comes to a proven coach like Payton.
"Frowned upon"? Wut?
Tampa way overpaid and everyone accepts that now. Just like in the NBA how Minny overpaid for Gobert and it won't re-set the market (See: Durant this offseason).
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What would us Saints have given for Payton back in 2006?
The Saints signing Payton in 2006 is exactly why the market has dried up. Teams figure they are smart enough to find the next Payton.
Picks, especially first and second rounders, are super valuable in today's NFL. Draft picks weren't recognized as being as valuable as they are, 20 years ago.
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I think the two best coaches in the NFL moving forward right now would be Andy Reid and Sean Payton.
Andy Reid, sure.
But then you have to look at Shannahan, McVay, McDermott, Tomlin, Belichick (his issues are as GM), Harbaugh, and even the 2 coaches linked to Rodgers (McCarthy and LaFleur) as possibly being ahead of Payton.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:10 am to drizztiger
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I'd let Sean waste away for another 2 years.
The fact their there are multiple suitors for CSP AND CSP is interested in at least 3 of them means he won't sit out another year or two AND the Saints will get "fair" value for him in trade. Their not getting 2 1st's & 2nd's unless it's late, late 1st's picks.
The only single pick deal I can see is Arizona's #3 pick, which Mickey should then flip for multiple picks this year and next.
The Saints are not 1 or 2 player away from competing. They have to many high prices older players on the downhill side and to many high prices player that can't stay on the field. They also have a few very talented young players thay they can rebuild build around.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:14 am to Snipe
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The only single pick deal I can see is Arizona's #3 pick
Y'all are going to be so disappointed. Payton isn't going for the #3 overall pick.
Zona will consider it's early 2nd to be effectively a 1st I imagine.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:17 am to diat150
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Id rather have payton sit than get ripped in a trade.
Pretty shortsighted and overly emotional response.
Hell arians had been to a superbowl and then won one after he was traded for a late round pick SWAP. The guy was one last second drive by Big Ben from being a 2x champion. He and Payton have near identical career winning percentages albeit with CSP coaching significantly more games. Arians first SB appearance was one year before CSP won on his only superbowl appearance. He was out of the league just like Payton and we’re getting a VASTLY more valuable asset than Arizona got.
Also CSP and Gruden are the same age with both of them soon turning 60. Gruden was traded for while he was the hottest name in coaching in his late 30s and CURRENTLY coaching.
Some of you guys need to be more rational and less emotional.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:33 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:18 am to diat150
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Its not being petty its getting compensated properly for an asset.
Not dealing him this year insures that the Saints won’t get properly compensated. Everyone but he’s about not getting enough and then says we’ll don’t trade him this year, which means the Saints won’t get shite next year.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:19 am to SlowFlowPro
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Y'all are going to be so disappointed. Payton isn't going for the #3 overall pick. Zona will consider it's early 2nd to be effectively a 1st I imagine.
Yep. It’s completely laughable to think we’d ever get #2 or #3 for Sean.
IMO the best pick in 2023 we could hope to get is 12 from Houston, and if we get that, we aren’t getting anything else. And, the only reason they’d consider that is because they have 20 picks in the next two drafts, including four 1sts.
This post was edited on 1/17/23 at 7:23 am
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:19 am to LooseCannon22282
quote:this is stupid. You cant make this argument. Gruden was at Oakland 3 years before he was traded. Won 2 division titles and made the AFC championship.
Payton has done a lot more than Gruden did at the time of Gruden's trade.
Of course Payton did more than Gruden did at the time of his trade bc he has been with the saints longer than chucky was with Oakland.
Take payton's first 3 years or his last 3 with the saints and compare them to Gruden and its no comparison.
Gruden is better. Be happy with whatever teams offer for Payton
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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Zona will consider it's early 2nd to be effectively a 1st I imagine.
Then it will be their 23 2nd + picks and their 1st in 24 maybe + picks.
Effectively a first is not A first.
and I don't expect the Cards #3 overall, I just said it's the only single pick deal I COULD see.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:22 am to DJ3K
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this is stupid. You cant make this argument. Gruden was at Oakland 3 years before he was traded. Won 2 division titles and made the AFC championship.
Of course Payton did more than Gruden did at the time of his trade bc he has been with the saints longer than chucky was with Oakland.
Take payton's first 3 years or his last 3 with the saints and compare them to Gruden and its no comparison.
Gruden is better. Be happy with whatever teams offer for Payton
This isn’t true, Payton is definitely better than Gruden.
The actual reason you can’t make this argument is because first round picks were worth a lot less back then, because the rookie wage scale hadn’t been adjusted yet. Top picks were basically getting max contracts at that time.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:27 am to Snipe
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Then it will be their 23 2nd + picks and their 1st in 24 maybe + picks.
Effectively a first is not A first.
Why is a 1st mandatory?
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:28 am to Rand AlThor
U have to know when to hold em, as well as fold em. He can't wait to coach, I/d hold out. Ur basically saying a Turner, Davenport or Ruiz for Payton.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:29 am to Rand AlThor
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Payton is definitely better than Gruden.
I dunno
If Gruden had a better talent guy save him when his teams started to slide (like Payton did with Ireland), he'd have been fine.
He also was forced into a QB carousel earlier than Payton was, and we all saw how Payton reacted to one year of that.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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Why is a 1st mandatory?
It's not really i guess, but there are multiple teams interested and CSP is interested in them as well. A 1st and some other combination of picks is what it will be.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:31 am to gsmith5651
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U have to know when to hold em, as well as fold em. He can't wait to coach, I/d hold out. Ur basically saying a Turner, Davenport or Ruiz for Payton.
Then you get nothing, because he will be virtually worthless next year and walks the following year.
Get assets while you can.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:49 am to drizztiger
Am I wrong to believe that since we own his rights we could trade those rights to any team that we want to? The market for him would be whatever we set it at? For example instance, could we not trade those rights to the highest bidder if we wanted? I know there would be a problem at that point if he said im not gonna go coach for that team. I would shop him around like they do the players and see what a sorry team like the bears would give us.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:53 am to armytiger33
He could just choose not to coach and his contract expires next year.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:57 am to armytiger33
Why would a team that has no ability to force him to stay trade for him?
Makes no sense. You guys are so delusional on this topic.
Makes no sense. You guys are so delusional on this topic.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 7:58 am to beauchristopher
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just do not get caving into Payton here. His services should command multiple firsts or a high first. Not mid to late first trash or whatever he said. It's absurd he would even say such a thing.
Everyone who thought the saints were getting a top 3 pick for payton were fooling themselves.
Posted on 1/17/23 at 9:07 am to drizztiger
quote:he's an asset that will only depreciate.
If we agree to this, then we need new management. I'd let Sean waste away for another 2 years.
i'll take a first rather than get nothing.
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