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Coming out of Group of 5 better prospect, Napier or Fuente?

Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:19 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:19 pm
This is comparing and contrasting these two guys when they were leaving their group of 5 jobs. Who is better?
Posted by HotTakes
Member since Sep 2021
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:21 pm to
Curveball…Chadwell
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 9:04 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:28 pm to
I'd put Chadwick over Napier but not Fuente. Fuente was on fire at Memphis.
Posted by DeathvalleyU
Louisiana
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:29 pm to
I really do think Napier will be a great coach. Might be wrong just a hunch. But i also didn't expect Justin to bomb the way he did. Just shows you not sure what to expect from guys when making that leap.

A long list of the hot names in coaching have not worked out. Norvell had everyone convinced.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 7:31 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:31 pm to
Fuente had a really good stint as coordinator at TCU. Then he did really well at Memphis, so I'd say he was clearly better. I'm shocked he didn't do better at VA Tech, but I'm not convinced VA Tech is that easy. Outside of Frank Beamer VaTech never did anything.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:41 pm to
Fuente, I don't think had recruiting ties in the Tidewater area nor in the DMV. VA Tech has to recruit those areas hard to succeed.
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:46 pm to
You're right that Virginia Tech isn't the easiest job historically, but Fuente's recruiting fell off the map. I want to say Rivals had one of their classes ranked in the 70s nationally. Which is inexplicable.

Another poster probably knows more about what went wrong, but I think he has been whiffing on recruits from areas that had traditionally been good to Beamer.

ETA: Shaft answered that.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 7:48 pm
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:51 pm to
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Fuente, I don't think had recruiting ties in the Tidewater area nor in the DMV. VA Tech has to recruit those areas hard to succeed.


It's funny you mention this because, if I'm not mistaken, that was a huge reason Maryland brought back Locksley, because of his connections to DMV. This was despite his poor history as a head coach at New Mexico. Fits like that are a premium in that area when high school football talent is so sparse. Fuente couldn't hack it I guess.
This post was edited on 11/23/21 at 7:52 pm
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 7:54 pm to
I don't know what Locksley's staff budget is but he needs to be surrounded by good coaches to succeed. Locks is a good OC and hell of a recruiter though.
Posted by togar tiger
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Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:00 pm to
Fuente and Herman are two of the most surprising failures of recent years. Hard to understand what happened with each. Tough business.
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
10313 posts
Posted on 11/23/21 at 8:15 pm to
In my opinion, Herman didn't fail. 3 straight top 25 finishes in a highly toxic job. Fuente would still be at VA Tech if he had Herman's record.
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
42397 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 7:41 am to
If I apply the reasoning the Napier haters do, here is what I would say about Fuente:

2 losing seasons at Memphis
Never won his conference outright
26-23 record 17-15 conference record

But he was a good coach IMO. Not sure what his situation was at Va Tech. It may be an indicator of why being selective about which P5 job you choose is so important for an up and coming coach. Or maybe he was overrated. I really don't know.

Posted by The Albatross
Member since Mar 2021
953 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 9:02 am to
I agree. Sark is proof. There are deeper issues at UTx than just a HC.
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 9:07 am to
Chadwell is better than both
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
108272 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 9:08 am to
quote:

In my opinion, Herman didn't fail. 3 straight top 25 finishes in a highly toxic job. Fuente would still be at VA Tech if he had Herman's record.

From my thread the other day

Herman at Texas(took over a program 16-21 under previous coach)

7-6
10-4 sugar bowl champs
8-5
7-3 fired

Jimbo at A&M(took over program 51-26 under previous coach)

9-4
8-5
9-1 orange bowl champs
8-3 and Aggies are still in pure bliss
Posted by LSUChamps03
Member since Feb 2006
2923 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 9:50 am to
quote:

Chadwell


For comparison purposes, coaching experience:





Win percentage:
Napier 76% overall, 84% conf

Chadwell 62% (60% at CC, 55% conf)

For those who focus on head-to-head, each has defeated the other once (UL 48-7 in ‘19, CC 30-27 in ‘20).

There is a reason Napier in being mentioned in the LSU, Florida, Va Tech, TCU coaching searches, while Chadwell has been mentioned for the Va Tech job, but not the others. The only ones pimping him for the LSU job are baws on a message board.

It is what it is. The people who run athletic departments at high-level football schools have made it clear who’s ready to take the jump. Chadwell is a good coach. But he’s not close to Napier today. In 2025? Maybe. Not today.
This post was edited on 11/24/21 at 9:52 am
Posted by NoGeaux
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
5603 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 9:51 am to
Fuente EASY
Posted by LSUChamps03
Member since Feb 2006
2923 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 9:54 am to
quote:

Fuente EASY


Fuente was 26-23 at Memphis. Easy?!
Posted by tccdc
Washington, DC
Member since Sep 2007
3967 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 10:22 am to
I will give you my two cents on Fuente's failure at VT...

1. He was brought in as a QB/Offensive guru...minus 2016 with portal transfer Jerod Evans, he had nothing. And he was too stubborn to fire his buddy Cornelson as OC. It is obvious that Dickey was the offensive brains at Memphis. When Fuente spent more time with the O, they did better, but HCs do not have that time.

2. The DC in waiting Galen Scott (who is at ULL with Napier right now) was really good, but got caught hooking with recruits moms on the road. Brought over from Memphis.

3. Back to the OC, Wiggins who is at Alabama was one of our better recruiters asked to be promoted to CO-OC to stay and Fuente balked and stayed with his friend. Now Wiggins continues to do great at Alabama.

4. Not Fuente's fault, but when Foster retired he wanted to bring Odom in as DC and VT would not pay for it at the time.

5. He fired the RB coach who had lots of the 757 ties to go with one of his buddies.

6. Spent more time recruiting TX instead of VA. You cannot do that.

I do believe Fuente will ultimately be successful as it seems it really hit him this year that he chose wrong and will have learned from it.

One positive, his pushing greatly helped the improvement of facilities and staff at VT. The next coach will have a lot more than FUente did when he came in that wise...but a lot less talent.
Posted by LSUChamps03
Member since Feb 2006
2923 posts
Posted on 11/24/21 at 10:35 am to
quote:

I do believe Fuente will ultimately be successful as it seems it really hit him this year that he chose wrong and will have learned from it.


I agree, and I think this is why Napier has been patient. If you put yourself at a certain place where you’re automatically behind the 8 ball it probably won’t end well.

That’s not thinking he’s “too good” to go to these programs, it’s betting on himself. And it looks like it’s going to pay off one way or another this year.

Had Fuente waited out a better situation he might have been very successful. And give him credit for taking a chance to build a program that isn’t necessarily equipped to be a top spot. The result bears out the difficulty in doing that.
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