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New York Times gems on the Arbery case.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:24 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:24 pm
Source: NYT
Interesting.
I had suspected that the property owner, who had set up cameras and motion sensors on his property, AND who immediately lawyered up after the shooting, did so because things were being stolen and he wanted security (cameras and motion sensors) and neighbors to help keep an eye on his property.
Some of our resident lemmings were saying that Mr. English had said nothing was stolen therefore nothing was stolen and we all should just ignore all of his behavior of installing cameras/motion sensors, asking neighbors for help, and lawyering up immediately after the shooting.
People tend to start being honest when they submit depositions... Sorta of like Byecep telling the truth on the stand, then being paraded around on The View lying his arse off.
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Jurors on Thursday were also shown a videotaped deposition of the home’s owner, Larry English. He described his concerns about the man who kept showing up in the house he was building, and the items he suspected had been stolen from him.
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Mr. Rubin contends that Mr. English allowed suspicion to spread in the neighborhood by sharing the videos of Mr. Arbery’s unauthorized entries with Mr. Perez and the police, and by letting it be known that some property had been stolen from his boat.
Interesting.
I had suspected that the property owner, who had set up cameras and motion sensors on his property, AND who immediately lawyered up after the shooting, did so because things were being stolen and he wanted security (cameras and motion sensors) and neighbors to help keep an eye on his property.
Some of our resident lemmings were saying that Mr. English had said nothing was stolen therefore nothing was stolen and we all should just ignore all of his behavior of installing cameras/motion sensors, asking neighbors for help, and lawyering up immediately after the shooting.
People tend to start being honest when they submit depositions... Sorta of like Byecep telling the truth on the stand, then being paraded around on The View lying his arse off.
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Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:25 pm to Azkiger
Nobody is stealing from a jogger to help build houses.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:34 pm to Azkiger
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Some of our resident lemmings were saying that Mr. English had said nothing was stolen therefore nothing was stolen
What some of us said was that Mr. English didn’t file a police report. Which is accurate.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:37 pm to the808bass
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What some of us said was that Mr. English didn’t file a police report. Which is accurate.
And how did you react to people who still voiced suspicion at there being nothing stolen despite the aforementioned actions?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:47 pm to Azkiger
That saying things were definitely stolen wasn’t an established fact.
My neighborhood has had two cars and a trailer with an ATV on it stolen in the last 12-16 months. We’ve also had a house break-in and multiple cars rifled through with petty thefts of varying degrees.
What I don’t do, when I see a car casing the subdivision, is get out my gun and start a chase.
The case of the McMichaels isn’t legally helped by this information. It may help the jury’s opinion of them. It changes nothing about their actions or what we know about that day. They tried to effect a citizen’s arrest without having the required boxes checked to do so.
My neighborhood has had two cars and a trailer with an ATV on it stolen in the last 12-16 months. We’ve also had a house break-in and multiple cars rifled through with petty thefts of varying degrees.
What I don’t do, when I see a car casing the subdivision, is get out my gun and start a chase.
The case of the McMichaels isn’t legally helped by this information. It may help the jury’s opinion of them. It changes nothing about their actions or what we know about that day. They tried to effect a citizen’s arrest without having the required boxes checked to do so.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 1:50 pm to the808bass
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That saying things were definitely stolen wasn’t an established fact.
Glad you're now meeting in the middle and allowing for the possibility that things were stolen. Because in the other Arbery threads I've seen you post in you were rigidly opposed to the possibility, even though all signs pointed to there being a pretty damn good possibility that things were stolen based off the property owners actions alone.
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:08 pm to Azkiger
I'm sorry, but a single man without a car ....or bag even if he was stealing was not stealing much and it does not warrant the McMichael of trying to deprive him of his liberty.... and brandishing a weapon in a menacing manner.
Unless I am missing something neither of the McMichael were active law enforcement personnel. Also McMichael was not an immediate victim...he was not stolen from. McMichaels' acted as vigilantes out to pursue and enforce what they thought justice should be with callous disregard for the law.
Unless I am missing something neither of the McMichael were active law enforcement personnel. Also McMichael was not an immediate victim...he was not stolen from. McMichaels' acted as vigilantes out to pursue and enforce what they thought justice should be with callous disregard for the law.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:09 pm to KiwiHead
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it does not warrant the McMichael of trying to deprive him of his liberty..
Yep, I have no problem saying they were in the wrong.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:10 pm to Azkiger
I've never heard it said that Arbery ever had any stolen goods from the construction site in his possession. All this is just excuse-making.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:19 pm to KiwiHead
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I'm sorry, but a single man without a car ....or bag even if he was stealing was not stealing much and it does not warrant the McMichael of trying to deprive him of his liberty....
Trying to deprive him of his liberty, do you mean trying to detain him until the police arrive and sort the situation out?
This post was edited on 11/12/21 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:19 pm to the808bass
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My neighborhood has had two cars and a trailer with an ATV on it stolen in the last 12-16 months. We’ve also had a house break-in and multiple cars rifled through with petty thefts of varying degrees.
What I don’t do, when I see a car casing the subdivision, is get out my gun and start a chase.
Ok...so now tell us what you would do if you actually see someone rifling thru yours or a neighbors car or attempting to steal it.
Cause that's closer to what kicked off this event not just some random jogger, sticking to the street/sidewalk, that may or may not be casing the neighborhood.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:22 pm to TBoy
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I've never heard it said that Arbery ever had any stolen goods from the construction site in his possession.
He didn't have too. Entering residential property with the intent to steal is a felony in the state of Georgia.
Sure, that's still a stretch, but claiming that unless Arbery was found with stolen property on his person this is an open and shut guilty case is ignorant of the law.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:26 pm to Azkiger
quote:No, he means feloniously threatening him and then murdering him - in broad daylight. It is AMAZING the extent you will go to to knight for murderers.
Trying to deprive him of his liberty, do you mean trying to detain him until the police arrive and sort the situation out?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:31 pm to Azkiger
Question, why are they reading depositions instead of calling witnesses?
Is thus common? Is it a Covid thing?
Is thus common? Is it a Covid thing?
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:32 pm to Azkiger
Yes, they don't have the right to deprive him and detaining him when he is not on your property is against the law.
I could not see you in a park and decide that you were the guy who stole my dog because you look similar and you do not posses my dog at the time. I cannot detain you in a public setting . Only the police can do this.
I could not see you in a park and decide that you were the guy who stole my dog because you look similar and you do not posses my dog at the time. I cannot detain you in a public setting . Only the police can do this.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:38 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Kiwihead: Yes, they don't have the right to deprive him and detaining him when he is not on your property is against the law.
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No, he means...
STFUPosted on 11/12/21 at 2:40 pm to Big Scrub TX
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No, he means feloniously threatening him and then murdering him - in broad daylight. It is AMAZING the extent you will go to to knight for murderers.
And yet you "knight" for all the rioting and thuggery (including murder) of the left...
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:41 pm to Jrv2damac
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Nobody is stealing from a jogger to help build houses.
Timberland jogging shoes are in high demand
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:41 pm to Azkiger
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And how did you react to people who still voiced suspicion at there being nothing stolen despite the aforementioned actions?
This case is about what happened on the date of the incident. Talking about anything else is largely irrelevant.
Posted on 11/12/21 at 2:42 pm to KiwiHead
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Yes, they don't have the right to deprive him and detaining him when he is not on your property is against the law.
That isn't true. Georgia law, at that time, allowed for citizens arrest for felonies that you thought were fleeing. There was no requirement for it to be on your property.
Now there were requirements for it to be a felony, which is possible since entering the premises with the intent to steal if a felony, but that's a tough case to make on the limited information the father/son duo had.
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I could not see you in a park and decide that you were the guy who stole my dog because you look similar and you do not posses my dog at the time.
What if you had seen me in your backyard two weeks prior petting your dog?
The son confronted Arbery on English's property two weeks prior. Arbery threatened the son and reached into his waistband and the son left and called the police. A neighbor (forget his name, but I think it was the house directly across from English's property) witnessed the exchange.
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