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OFFICIAL BCS THREAD - 09/21
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:31 pm
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:31 pm
I finally got over my hangover from the Pitt/West Virginia game. What happened in the BCS NC? Did we beat Ohio State?
I'll try to post these weekly here on out as long as LSU has a shot of at least a BCS bowl. I suggest we keep all BCS discussions in one thread, but I will leave that up to clucker. This week I wanted to mostly give a summary of how the BCS works, even though most of us probably up to speed by now.
The BCS has 3 equal components; Coaches Poll(1/3), Harris Poll (1/3), and Computer Average (1/3) and the formula is actually quite simple: in the human polls, you subscore is #votes/(25*#voters). Their are 6 computer scores, they are averaged (after dropping the high and low score) and then its (26-avg rating)/25. So your highest possible score is 1.0. Here is an example for LSU from the last week of last year.
Harris = 2630/(25*114) = 0.9228
Coaches = 1418/(25*60) = 0.9453
Computers = (26-2)/25 = 0.950
Total = (0.9228+0.9450+0.950)/3=0.9394
Its obviously pretty easy to calculate those scores with a pencil and calculator. I am more interested in thinking about what will happen if..somewhere down the line. Particularly how the computers will shake out and affect the BCS. I will give an in depth summary of how the computers
work next week. Last year I managed to replicate an old version of Colley Matrix poll, but he started including IAA teams in a funny way. I think I almost have it all worked out now. The neat thing is we should be able simulate the rest of the season and look at a "predicted" final Colley Matrix poll. Since the computers agree well by seasons end, we should be able to tell how LSU would compare to other schools
Here are some things about the BCS and computer polls that many people have misconceptions about:
1. You absolutely DO NOT have win your conference to play for the BCS NC. However, voters aren't very kind to teams that don't and they'll probably try and keep them out (see 2007 UGA). Even in 2003, voters put OU behind all the teams with 1-loss.
2. The BCS does not include a separate "Strength of Schedule" component anymore like it did in 2003. However, every computer has its own way of measuring SOS and its basically how it differentiates teams of like records. Of course, the human polls supposedly do.
3. With few minor exceptions, the computer polls do not include history, tradition, last years' ranking, or conference in the formula. Basically if USC and TCU played the same schedule and had the same record, they would be ranked the same. This is why most polls look crazy the first few weeks. (The lone exception being Billingsly which
I call the "common sense" poll; but it is almost always thrown out as a high or low).
4. If you are ranked #1 in both human polls, you can still be left out. It would be hard, but first of all, its # votes, not ranking. So you might be #1, but barely above #2 and#3. Also, you could be very low in the computers making them effectively "worth more" than just 1/3. (This is why OU and USC never stood a chance last year even if they jumped LSU in the polls).
Computer Poll Links:
Colley Rankings
Billingsly
Sagarin
Wolfe
Massey
Anderson
I'll try to post these weekly here on out as long as LSU has a shot of at least a BCS bowl. I suggest we keep all BCS discussions in one thread, but I will leave that up to clucker. This week I wanted to mostly give a summary of how the BCS works, even though most of us probably up to speed by now.
The BCS has 3 equal components; Coaches Poll(1/3), Harris Poll (1/3), and Computer Average (1/3) and the formula is actually quite simple: in the human polls, you subscore is #votes/(25*#voters). Their are 6 computer scores, they are averaged (after dropping the high and low score) and then its (26-avg rating)/25. So your highest possible score is 1.0. Here is an example for LSU from the last week of last year.
Harris = 2630/(25*114) = 0.9228
Coaches = 1418/(25*60) = 0.9453
Computers = (26-2)/25 = 0.950
Total = (0.9228+0.9450+0.950)/3=0.9394
Its obviously pretty easy to calculate those scores with a pencil and calculator. I am more interested in thinking about what will happen if..somewhere down the line. Particularly how the computers will shake out and affect the BCS. I will give an in depth summary of how the computers
work next week. Last year I managed to replicate an old version of Colley Matrix poll, but he started including IAA teams in a funny way. I think I almost have it all worked out now. The neat thing is we should be able simulate the rest of the season and look at a "predicted" final Colley Matrix poll. Since the computers agree well by seasons end, we should be able to tell how LSU would compare to other schools
Here are some things about the BCS and computer polls that many people have misconceptions about:
1. You absolutely DO NOT have win your conference to play for the BCS NC. However, voters aren't very kind to teams that don't and they'll probably try and keep them out (see 2007 UGA). Even in 2003, voters put OU behind all the teams with 1-loss.
2. The BCS does not include a separate "Strength of Schedule" component anymore like it did in 2003. However, every computer has its own way of measuring SOS and its basically how it differentiates teams of like records. Of course, the human polls supposedly do.
3. With few minor exceptions, the computer polls do not include history, tradition, last years' ranking, or conference in the formula. Basically if USC and TCU played the same schedule and had the same record, they would be ranked the same. This is why most polls look crazy the first few weeks. (The lone exception being Billingsly which
I call the "common sense" poll; but it is almost always thrown out as a high or low).
4. If you are ranked #1 in both human polls, you can still be left out. It would be hard, but first of all, its # votes, not ranking. So you might be #1, but barely above #2 and#3. Also, you could be very low in the computers making them effectively "worth more" than just 1/3. (This is why OU and USC never stood a chance last year even if they jumped LSU in the polls).
Computer Poll Links:
Colley Rankings
Billingsly
Sagarin
Wolfe
Massey
Anderson
This post was edited on 9/21/08 at 5:49 pm
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:33 pm to lsumatt
A welcome topic. You go LSUMATT !
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:34 pm to lsumatt
Glad that you are back on this, LSUmatt. Thanks again.
Oh...and stay with it.
ETA: Sticky?
Oh...and stay with it.
ETA: Sticky?
This post was edited on 9/21/08 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:35 pm to lsumatt
It's about time you made yourself useful. 
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:42 pm to TXTiger75
Just kidding Matt, you the man. You are to BCS projections what Bay is to hurricane tracking.
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:45 pm to MississippiLSUfan
Btw, the common question is what will happen if USC, OU and LSU all finish undefeated. It is waaaay to early to tell. We can say for sure that LSU and OU should finish higher in the computers than USC. But its too early to tell how much higher.
Also, I think the computers could bump a 1-loss SEC team over an undefeated from the Big East or ACC. I also think an undefeated BYU team would go to the NC over a 1-loss team from several conferences.
This year its SEC/Big12 >>>> everybody else. and it will show in the computers. The MWC might be better than 2 or 3 conferences and BYU will benefit
Also, I think the computers could bump a 1-loss SEC team over an undefeated from the Big East or ACC. I also think an undefeated BYU team would go to the NC over a 1-loss team from several conferences.
This year its SEC/Big12 >>>> everybody else. and it will show in the computers. The MWC might be better than 2 or 3 conferences and BYU will benefit
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:48 pm to lsumatt
NOW it's football season, Matt is here.


Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:50 pm to Hand
Yes...Colley has Utah at 1, Wisconsin at 2, Ball St. at 9, LSU at 11 and USC is no. 14. I love these fricking computers.....though I know they balance out at the end.
Oh...and the Bammers are number 3
Oh...and the Bammers are number 3
This post was edited on 9/21/08 at 5:51 pm
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:51 pm to lsumatt
quote:
Colley Rankings
Billingsly
both of those rankings are jokes right??? Utah #1? OSU losing and still in the top 5?
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:52 pm to lsumatt
Yes, that's my question, too. Given the fact that the SEC is so well represented in the top 25, and assuming we win all our conference games, shouldn't our SOS be better than USC's or OU's? I'm not understanding those people who keep saying that USC will win out on SOS.
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:53 pm to JL2440LSU
quote:
both of those rankings are jokes right??? Utah #1? OSU losing and still in the top 5?
Did you read the post?
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:56 pm to reagancajun
quote:
shouldn't our SOS be better than USC's or OU's? I'm not understanding those people who keep saying that USC will win out on SOS.
I don't know who is saying that. But USC will probably stay #1 in both human polls. LSU's schedule is harder, but the OOC schedule isn't. That will be enough to keep voters from dropping USC if they continue to win big.
But the computers will punish USC, probably just not enough. Also, USC's schedule isn't that easy. They play 12 BCS teams (including Notre Dame). That will keep their computer score respectable.
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:58 pm to lsumatt
I see.
quote:Can you explain the weighting? I don't really understand it. Sorry if I sound like a noob.
But the computers will punish USC, probably just not enough.
Posted on 9/21/08 at 5:58 pm to lsumatt
Hope you keep this thread going on, till the BCS-NC game, Matt.
Posted on 9/21/08 at 6:02 pm to reagancajun
quote:
Can you explain the weighting? I don't really understand it. Sorry if I sound like a noob.
No problem, but I though I explained it above. But put simply, for every 1 spot you are behind in the polls, you have to be 2 spots above in the computers. So if USC is #1 and LSU #3 in both human polls, USC would have to be 4 spots behind in the computers (which likely won't happen if USC is undefeated). However, that's only if USC gets all #1 votes and LSU #3 votes. LSU could have enough #1 and #2 votes to make it closer
Posted on 9/21/08 at 6:04 pm to lsumatt
lsu needs to pull one out of the uga, bama game then worry about beating uf in the seccg
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