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How did our O-line get so bad?
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:44 am
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:44 am
I can’t understand this, how can we not find quality O-linemen? Gigantic athletic physical dudes are everywhere in Louisiana, we generally have a ton of talent on the O-line, what happened?
I’m not as locked in on recruiting as many of you, did we just miss on big time recruits? How can LSU possibly have so little talent on the line?
I’m not as locked in on recruiting as many of you, did we just miss on big time recruits? How can LSU possibly have so little talent on the line?
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Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:46 am to Tiger1242
Bad recruiting. O did not rebuild the lines as promised
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:47 am to Tiger1242
O’s recruiting strategy of filling a position of need by signing another WR
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:49 am to Modesto tiger
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Bad recruiting. O did not rebuild the lines as promised
There’s been plenty of guys. They haven’t been developed well.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:50 am to Tiger1242
Evaluating talent and subsequent recruitment of said talent.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:50 am to Tiger1242
Attrition and recruiting but mainly recruiting IMO.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:51 am to Tiger1242
it doesn't help that we keep jumping all over this place with coordinators and schemes. plus losing Dare was a major blow. Also we have an ivy league center. how many ivy league centers have played in the NFL?
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:54 am to Tiger1242
We run a zone blocking scheme. The guard center combos (scoop to strong side, slip to weak side) should be moving the defender a few yards before the combo to the backer. Shanahan and Ingram get absolutely no push. It is actually the main reason for the terrible o-line play.
This post was edited on 9/29/21 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 11:55 am to Tiger1242
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Evaluating talent and subsequent recruitment of said talent.
Right. That's why we have so many players in the NFL.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:07 pm to Chicken
We’ve had barely any attrition. We lost 1 lineman from last year and our OL barely has transfers. Guys are playing out their eligibility at the position, so you can’t use attrition as an excuse. We just aren’t recruiting and developing the way we need to.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:14 pm to bugafor6
Let's see
LT - 1 - Freshman will get better, 1 3 star off hurt, 1- RS Fresh not Ready
LG - Senior who has not lived up to Hype
C - Ivy League (nuff said)
RG - Former DT should still be playing DT as much as he gets pushed into MJ's lap. 1 - rG (AB) slow and over weight
RT - Off't Hurt but steady
LT - 1 - Freshman will get better, 1 3 star off hurt, 1- RS Fresh not Ready
LG - Senior who has not lived up to Hype
C - Ivy League (nuff said)
RG - Former DT should still be playing DT as much as he gets pushed into MJ's lap. 1 - rG (AB) slow and over weight
RT - Off't Hurt but steady
This post was edited on 9/27/21 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:15 pm to Tiger1242
Physically weak, especially in their legs.
Awful oline blocking schemes devised by offensive coaches....just antiquated and very dependent on having superior physical abilities to execute...which is not even close to there. This is playing to your weakness rather than your strengths.
Because of 1 and 2 above, our best running plays will be quick hitters straight ahead or misdirection/counter plays where a dlineman is tricked into gap pursuit and blocked by a pulling olineman, and the rb cuts off that block running to daylight. Other than adding some razzle dazzle reverse/pass and maybe an occasional qb draw/option run....this is our only hope.
we have to junk our present run game schemes in the toilet and flush them out. We don't have the horses up front to make the present blocking scheme work at all....and it should be more than obvious to O and staff by now.
Sometimes coaches are just stubborn and blame the players for lack of execution, but these players don't have the athletic strength and agility to make the present zone blocking scheme work. LF couldn't gain 50 yds a game with this group/scheme.
Other times the coaches just simply don't know any other way to scheme....and unfortunately, I think that is where we are. It has been going on too long for me to thing otherwise.
Awful oline blocking schemes devised by offensive coaches....just antiquated and very dependent on having superior physical abilities to execute...which is not even close to there. This is playing to your weakness rather than your strengths.
Because of 1 and 2 above, our best running plays will be quick hitters straight ahead or misdirection/counter plays where a dlineman is tricked into gap pursuit and blocked by a pulling olineman, and the rb cuts off that block running to daylight. Other than adding some razzle dazzle reverse/pass and maybe an occasional qb draw/option run....this is our only hope.
we have to junk our present run game schemes in the toilet and flush them out. We don't have the horses up front to make the present blocking scheme work at all....and it should be more than obvious to O and staff by now.
Sometimes coaches are just stubborn and blame the players for lack of execution, but these players don't have the athletic strength and agility to make the present zone blocking scheme work. LF couldn't gain 50 yds a game with this group/scheme.
Other times the coaches just simply don't know any other way to scheme....and unfortunately, I think that is where we are. It has been going on too long for me to thing otherwise.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:16 pm to The Pirate King
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There’s been plenty of guys. They haven’t been developed well.
There has not been enough in quanity or quality at that position group. Those are just the facts. We have highly ranked recruiting classes because of the high rankings of the skill players we recruit, not because of the linemen we sign. And we do not need to go trapesing all over the country acting like there are not really good lineman in Louisiana. They are here in the state on both sides of the ball. For whatever reason, O has not been recruiting the oline position group very effectively. Hopefully Davis can turn that around. We have to recruit better lineman and develop them. And they need to be big. Champion are build from the inside out, not the outside in.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:18 pm to Tiger1242
Trusting the talent of highly recruited Kardell Thomas that doesn't have the work ethic to compete
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:25 pm to Tiger1242
Starting LT gone
The LT2 has been hurt
The LT3 was the backup center
LT4 is 6’2”
Ed Ingram has not been happy since Cregg was fired
Shanahan is a mid level SEC center
Hines is just not good
Deculus has started a lot of games but was able to play another season because he is not a coveted pro prospect
And the coaching has been bad. The last time the OL www good was when Joe Brady took over in 2019 around the 5th game
The LT2 has been hurt
The LT3 was the backup center
LT4 is 6’2”
Ed Ingram has not been happy since Cregg was fired
Shanahan is a mid level SEC center
Hines is just not good
Deculus has started a lot of games but was able to play another season because he is not a coveted pro prospect
And the coaching has been bad. The last time the OL www good was when Joe Brady took over in 2019 around the 5th game
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:28 pm to Tiger1242
Don't forget Tommy Moffitt. Our guys just don't look like other teams' Olinemen.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:28 pm to Lester Earl
Where’s Greg Studrawa when you need him?
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:29 pm to Tiger1242
James Cregg was an awful coach, an even worse recruiter. Zone blocking scheme will get better next year with the infusion of talent...we hope.
Posted on 9/27/21 at 12:31 pm to TNTigerman
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Don't forget Tommy Moffitt. Our guys just don't look like other teams' Olinemen.
His teams have played in championships every 4 years since 2003 lol
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