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re: Iceland & Israel are two of the most vaxx'ed countries in the world
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:32 am to diat150
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:32 am to diat150
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or the virus took out a large percentage of the weak on the first couple of rounds.
I think this is being overlooked greatly to support the vaccine as working because the reality is that it doesn't seem to work as well as we were told.
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Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:33 am to stout
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So your logic is that even though they have more deaths overall right now, the vaccine is working because they also have more cases which means fewer deaths on a percentage basis compared to last year
But wait, I thought the new strain was "more infectious but milder".
And what about a years worth of experience in therapeutics and protocol? Does that count for nothing?
No no... It's all about the mysterious curative powers of the vaccine... with it's heavy viral load.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:33 am to DangerousWafer
No it doesn't "stop people from getting sick"
There is no data that says that. The vaccinated are clearly still getting sick.
There is no data that says that. The vaccinated are clearly still getting sick.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 7:34 am
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:36 am to arcalades
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vaccine didn't help me. my symptoms were just as bad as my son's symptoms.
For most people, there really shouldn't be any symptoms of COVID.
It's pretty much vulnerable people + old + obese people who have 'bad symptoms' from COVID.
The fact that you and your son had similar symptoms doesn't mean the vaccine didn't work. The fact that you had bad symptoms suggests that you were fairly vulnerable in the first place. It could have been without vaccination, your symptoms would have been even worse.
So it doesn't mean the vaccine didn't help you. You and your son might have had similar symptoms but there's no way of knowing whether it would have been worse for you without vaccination.
If you're vaccinated and still had bad symptoms, it suggests that you were fairly vulnerable in the first place.
I'm a healthy young guy. Barely had any symptoms from COVID.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:37 am to stout
That and - last year if, if you with in the hospital "with" COVID, ALL other comorbidities were ignored and you were there BECAUSE of COVID
Now, if you are vaccinated, if you are hospitalized "with" COVID, ALL other comorbidities are the reason and COVID is pushed aside
How can people not see this?
Now, if you are vaccinated, if you are hospitalized "with" COVID, ALL other comorbidities are the reason and COVID is pushed aside
How can people not see this?
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 7:37 am
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:38 am to theunknownknight
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There is no data that says that. The vaccinated are clearly still getting sick.
There absolutely is data that says this.
Hospitalization rates are far lower than they were in the peak of the pandemic in the UK.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:40 am to DangerousWafer
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There absolutely is data that says this.
That NO vaccinated are getting sick with COVID?
Link it
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:43 am to theunknownknight
Is Israel using the same vaccine as here in the U S?
Just curious.
I’m anti vaccine btw
Just curious.
I’m anti vaccine btw
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:43 am to stout
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"Look the vaccine works because even though there are WAY more people getting sick now there are fewer dying percentage-wise!"
I can't believe someone seriously typed that to support a so-called vaccine and thinks it makes sense.
i think this argument (i mean the general one, not what you said specifically above) would become less of a deal had they not used the word "vaccine" or people understood that "vaccine" doesn't always mean "prevents you from getting the disease entirely"
it's a lot of semantics
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:44 am to DangerousWafer
quote:Couldn't it also be that many of the people most likely to die if they got COVID already died in previous waves?
My logic is that case numbers heavily correlates to the number of deaths. Right now, case numbers are as high as some levels in previous peaks yet the number of deaths are far lower. Hence, this suggests that vaccination is working at reducing death rates/hospitalisations which was the whole point.
I'll give you another example of a country that's lifted all restrictions and yet has low numbers of deaths despite the high case numbers.
The UK had 94 deaths today and total new cases today (7 day average) is around 28,132. Last time, total new cases were around 28,132 in the UK was on the 24th January 2021. Deaths were around 1240 on that day.
This was before everyone had been vaccinated. This suggests that vaccination has reduced the number of deaths.
Obviously, there's a lag between case numbers and deaths but the point still stands if you take a 28-day average.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 7:45 am
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:44 am to Lebowski
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Is Israel using the same vaccine as here in the U S?
Just curious.
I’m anti vaccine btw
i believe they area big user of the Pfizer vaccine, which hasn't been as good against Delta as the Moderna one
I'm vacc'd with Pfizer
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:45 am to SlowFlowPro
would TheraCOVID be a better term? COVID treatments?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:45 am to theunknownknight
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would TheraCOVID be a better term? COVID treatments?
I'm not a doctor so I have no idea
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:46 am to DangerousWafer
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That's the whole point of covid vaccination - to reduce the number of deaths/severe effects of COVID. As long as they're not clogging up ICUs, it doesn't really matter.
Thats not what was pushed by our administration.
It was, you will not get covid if you are vaccinated.
Goal posts continue to move.
Well no one said you wouldnt die if you were vaccinated.
Bull fricking shite.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 7:48 am
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's a lot of semantics
Maybe but now is the time where semantics matter the most. The fault solely lies in the mishandling of it by the powers that be.
Don't call it a vaccine. Call it thera flu if all it does is lessen symptoms.
Don't say you are protected from getting Covid and no need for a mask once vaccinated only to reverse course a month later.
Don't say it will work against variants then say on well maybe it won't.
A lot of mishandling could have been avoided but the truth is no one knows WTH they are doing.
The fact that they banned research into existing drugs that seemed to have stopped transmission for a vaccine where people are still dying also shows how inept or corrupt this whole thing is.
This post was edited on 8/13/21 at 7:51 am
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:50 am to DangerousWafer
quote:. Maybe the most vulnerable have mostly died off.
Similarly, when Israel had 7000 cases in Jan-March, there were over 50 deaths per day. The number of deaths has reduced significantly.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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I'm not a doctor so I have no idea
Why do you have to be a doctor to have an idea? The information is out there. You can teach yourself anything. Science is science. It's not rocket science.
Can I not have any idea how the law works because I didn't go to law school?
Can you have no idea how a computer works because you didn't get a computer science degree?
Can a person have no idea how fire works because they don't have a chemistry degree?
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:53 am to theunknownknight
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That NO vaccinated are getting sick with COVID?
No, that LESS vaccinated are getting sick with COVID. Vaccines aren't 100% effective - vaccines have a 95% efficacy rate which means you're 95% less likely to get COVID, not that you're not going to get it at all. Most vaccines have an efficacy rate between 60-90%.
LINK
Hospitalizations are low despite the high number of cases. 90% of the adult population are vaccinated in the UK.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:54 am to dgnx6
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It was, you will not get covid if you are vaccinated.
Vaccines aren't perfect.
The COVID vaccines have a 95% efficacy rate, which means you're 95% less likely to get it, not that 95% of people are immune.
Most vaccines have a similar efficacy rate for their disease strain.
Posted on 8/13/21 at 7:56 am to stout
The government is willfully lying about the virus and the “vaccines.”
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