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re: Covid deaths per 100k in the US since the beginning of pandemic as posted by the CDC

Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:26 am to
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:26 am to
Does this chart make you happier Kork, or still not enough death to satisfy you?

Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:27 am to
why would CDC produce a graph (like in the OP) that is outdated compared to the graph that LSU>USC posted?
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:28 am to
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Hmm, why are we panicking again?

Hospitalization, not that I agree with the panic but that’s why MSM will say
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:28 am to
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why would CDC produce a graph (like in the OP) that is outdated compared to the graph that LSU>USC posted?


OP is broken down by age

Kinda takes some time to do that across the entire nation
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:31 am to
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Does this chart make you happier Kork, or still not enough death to satisfy you?
Stop acting like I like death. I prefer to face reality rather than pretend things aren't happening.


ETA: How can you make it out as if I like death when it's clear that your threshold for acceptable death is higher than mine?
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 11:36 am
Posted by LSU>USC
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 11:31 am to
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OP is broken down by age

Kinda takes some time to do that across the entire nation


And OP is weekly which is updated weekly instead of daily. Weekly will be updated again on 8/7.
Posted by lsuhunt555
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:37 pm to
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Either the death total is going to catch up to the cases or this Delta variant is nothing more than a more contagious variant but far less deadly.

I know which option the media will feed me and I know which option is probably the true, and they are not the same.
Posted by MorbidTheClown
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:43 pm to

Melinda Deslatte
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in a virtual town hall with The Advocate says a coronavirus vaccine won't be mandated for state workers at least until the FDA gives full approval to one of the vaccines. #lalege #lagov
Posted by LSU>USC
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Member since May 2004
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:56 pm to
Can anyone find a dataset with hospitalizations, cases, and deaths in one?

I'd like to add a 7 day moving average for hospitalizations to the previous image but doesn't look like it's readily available. I looked through the available datasets and couldn't find what I was looking for. It would take me some time to manually build it. Seems like it would be obvious to include in one dataset but makes it seem like they purposefully don't want that easily available.

If you really want to see the impact of the hospitalizations usage and the death rate on the unvaccinated, hospitalizations stats vs deaths with cases thrown in as another dimension would paint a better picture. Show me cases to hospitalizations to deaths in one image.

If the death rate isn't keeping with cases and hospitalizations, and the vast majority of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then that would shed more light on the severity (or lack thereof) of the Delta variant against the unvaccinated.

Right now it appears to be (without having all datasets combined) we're seeing increases by varying degrees in cases and hospitalizations (amongst mostly unvaccinated and broken down by age group) BUT deaths are significantly lagging relatively.

I think the next month or so regarding the death rate will really give us a better idea of where we are with this virus, not that those data points will be used by those in charge.
Posted by St Augustine
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Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 12:58 pm to
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If the death rate isn't keeping with cases and hospitalizations, and the vast majority of the hospitalizations are unvaccinated, then that would shed more light on the severity (or lack thereof) of the Delta variant against the unvaccinated. Right now it appears to be (without having all datasets combined) we're seeing increases by varying degrees in cases and hospitalizations (amongst mostly unvaccinated and broken down by age group) BUT deaths are significantly lagging relatively.


Isn’t that essentially what happened in England?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39648 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:38 pm to
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Here's some information regarding what's going on in other countries vs developed nations when it comes to Delta.

So I wouldn't necessarily say Delta is "less deadly," as I think that's still getting worked through, but it's definitely less deadly to Americans, Brits, etc. and this freak out is ridiculous.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:41 pm to
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. I prefer to face reality rather than pretend things aren't happening.


You sound like Mr Perfect from last year, fyi. Kinda weird that you bet him $1k last year that he was full of shite and now you're kinda taking his place.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:48 pm to
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but it's definitely less deadly to Americans, Brits, etc. and this freak out is ridiculous.


I knew we'd be fine when I saw the UK curve for their delta experience. It seemed to burn through faster than prior waves.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:50 pm to
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I knew we'd be fine when I saw the UK curve for their delta experience. It seemed to burn through faster than prior waves


Ya, that gave me a high degree of confidence as well. We started seeing decoupling between cases and deaths pretty early in our run up. I've had people in the last few days repeat the "deaths lag cases" thing, but they seem to be unaware cases have been rising for quite a long time. I believe that's because media didn't start freaking out until two weeks ago, which is when common people became aware.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51521 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:52 pm to
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I believe that's because media didn't start freaking out until two weeks ago


Yeah, the media stopped covering Covid for awhile around the 4th of July, even though Delta was in full swing in many other countries. It was obvious it was coming here.

The media dictates when Covid ends.
This post was edited on 8/4/21 at 1:53 pm
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39648 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:58 pm to
An interesting topic left out is the cases in the UK fell after they dropped their mask mandate.

They saw the decoupling and wanted to return to normalcy. Also, they saw the vaccines working and wanted to promote vaccination (smart) over masks. The US going back to masks is a terrible message. I don't think anyone seriously believes masks can turn around a wave of infection even if they believe masks work, and certainly no where close to what a vaccine can, and yet this message muddles that point.
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:02 pm to
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Why anyone under the age of 75 takes this vaccine is amazing to me.

I know a 50 year old on a vent that would amaze your socks off.
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:03 pm to
Biden lied, people died.
Posted by Baers Foot
Louisiana Ragin' Cajuns
Member since Dec 2011
3551 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:20 pm to
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Hmm, why are we panicking again?


Because the US has 20-30 ICU beds per 100,000 people. SOURCE

And when COVID peaks, like as your graph shows, ICUs and ERs are flooded with COVID patients and unable to give non-COVID patients the appropriate care (trauma/disease/etc).

That's the true reason for concern. Definitely not worth the level of panic we see from certain individuals, but definitely worth being concerned about.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28746 posts
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:01 pm to
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You sound like Mr Perfect from last year, fyi. Kinda weird that you bet him $1k last year that he was full of shite and now you're kinda taking his place.
I won that bet by being realistic. Same as now. I'm not going to "pick a side" and stick to it regardless of what I see. I gather new information and process it rationally.

So the "sky is falling" crowd hates me when I say it's not that bad, we shouldn't shut shite down, etc. and the "covid ain't shite" crowd hates me when I say that it's counter-productive to downplay everything. And that's fine, I'm not trying to make friends.
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