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re: Electric Cars - the biggest scam?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:55 pm to kciDAtaE
Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:55 pm to kciDAtaE
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Comes off as “what a scam these automobiles are! You telling me the government is going to build a road from New Orleans to Baton Rouge or something?! Just roads everywhere that I can just drive from place to place?!”
Automobiles over horses added many factors to the value they created in what they could do vs horses.
Electric vehicles offer no new value. None.
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Posted on 8/4/21 at 1:59 pm to JayDeerTay84
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Electric vehicles offer no new value. None.
Why lie?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:04 pm to tadman
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1. You need a very expensive charger in your house
False. Comes with it, most will even install it free.
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2. Your city/neighborhood does not have the grid capacity
Vast majority do.
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3. There are not half enough power plants
Not true. These things don't use the juice you're insinuating they do.
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4. We can't pull our heads out of our asses to decide what kind of power plants are safe to build (coal=bad nuke=war natgas=fracking)
This is true.
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5. Virtually the entire supply chain for batteries comes from unfriendly nations
This is true.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 2:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Why lie?
What is the new value?
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:18 pm to JayDeerTay84
quote:A drastic reduction in per-mile transportation costs.
What is the new value?
EVs enable self-sufficient transportation. I can produce electricity on my own property with my own equipment, not so with gasoline.
With EVs we are able to diversify our transportation energy sources. No matter how much we drill, O&G is still a global industry and will be subject to the whims of foreign nations. There are countless ways to produce electricity, which should translate into long-term stability in transportation/shipping costs.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 3:33 pm to tadman
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1. You need a very expensive charger in your house
$500 - ooh take out a loan
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Your city/neighborhood does not have the grid capacity
You can charge with a 110V charger
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There are not half enough power plants
You can't instantly switch, I agree but there are not enough EV's available to sink the grid yet
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We can't pull our heads out of our asses to decide what kind of power plants are safe to build (coal=bad nuke=war natgas=fracking)
Blame your politicians for passing all these infrastructure bills and doing nothing for the infrastructure.
quote:No fricks given.
Virtually the entire supply chain for batteries comes from unfriendly nations
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It's a giant golf cart.
Stock world record broken... Beats $1M McClaren
1/4 mile and 0-60 record as well
Posted on 8/4/21 at 4:46 pm to tadman
It also takes very Earth-unfriendly strip mining to get the ore used to make the high-grade lithium ion batteries needed for these vehicles. Electric cars are anything but "green."
Posted on 8/4/21 at 4:49 pm to Korkstand
Electric motors have fewer moving parts, so lower life-cycle maintenance costs.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 5:29 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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It also takes very Earth-unfriendly strip mining to get the ore used to make the high-grade lithium ion batteries needed for these vehicles. Electric cars are anything but "green."
Well said, but a very, very big understatement.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:03 pm to Korkstand
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Also, a gallon of diesel burned in that generator drives an EV further than the same gallon in a similarly-sized diesel vehicle.
I would like to see the math on this.
With mechanical losses in the generator, and some of the heat energy of the gallon of diesel wasted to heat generation, there is only some of that "gallon" that ends up as pure electricity.
The EV has mechanical losses also, so that electrical power transferred from the genset to charge the EV doesn't end up as driven power 100%.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:21 pm to EA6B
quote:Had an electrician do mine, exactly $500
The $600 bucks is for the connector only, does not includes other needed materials like wire, breaker, conduit, electricians time, and pulling permits if necessary.
At my house just the wire will cost over $350 bucks, other material, labor, ang the $600.00 outlet and it is $2k easily.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:26 pm to Gus007
quote:That'll take decades so looks like we're safe.
How are you going to charge car batteries, when 90 percent have EVs?
I don't see any new plants under construction and it takes a few years to build.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:28 pm to pochejp
quote:No, i charge at home while I'm sleeping and it can give me 240+ miles in that 8 hour span you bolded.
so you're doing this?
Charging at Level One
The average car is driven only 40 miles/day. The Level One charger (which usually comes with almost any electric car) plugs into a dedicated standard house plug, and can deliver 12 amps. This means it will deliver 40 miles in an 8-hour overnight charging session. Most people have their car at home for much more than an average of 8 hours. So generally, even with this very slow charging, you will keep up. On the days you drive more, you won’t recharge fully, but as long as you don’t keep doing long days several days in a row, you will eventually make it back. (How quickly depends on whether you must limit charging only to off-peak electrical times.)
frick that. I'll keep my V-8.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:28 pm to AndyCBR
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I would like to see the math on this.
With mechanical losses in the generator, and some of the heat energy of the gallon of diesel wasted to heat generation, there is only some of that "gallon" that ends up as pure electricity.
The EV has mechanical losses also, so that electrical power transferred from the genset to charge the EV doesn't end up as driven power 100%.
The experiment and the math is at the link that I replied to.
I think it boils down to the fact that large heat engines are more efficient than smaller ones, and that is enough to overcome the inefficiency in the EV drivetrain.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 6:35 pm to shel311
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Had an electrician do mine, exactly $500
Your lucky, your outlet has to be only a few feet from your breaker panel,, others are not that lucky.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:14 pm to EA6B
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Your lucky, your outlet has to be only a few feet from your breaker panel,, others are not that lucky.
Not to mention many homes do not have spare space in the panel for am additional two pole breaker.
This is almost guaranteed in older homes but is also a problem in newer homes.
Your charging station can turn into a panel upgrade and/or subpanel run very easily and significantly increase the cost.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:18 pm to SECdragonmaster
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paid an electrician $345 to install a 70v charge plug in my garage. I can draw 23 miles of charge an hour.
I also got a waiver from Alabama Power which reduces my electricity cost per kWh for ALL of my energy use from 9pm to 5 am (when I am charging).
I thought there were no costs for complex charging systems? Rewiring costs money.
So what happens when EVERYONE is plugging in their cars overnight to charge for the next day? That waiver goes away and "cheap non-peak" hours become peak hours.
There is some merit to going electric but the push is too fast for the tech and the infrastructure.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 7:19 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
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It also takes very Earth-unfriendly strip mining to get the ore used to make the high-grade lithium ion batteries needed for these vehicles. Electric cars are anything but "green."
Y’all seriously not invested in Standard Lithium yet? Need to walk your asses over to the Money Talk board baws.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:39 pm to SoDakHawk
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the push is too fast for the tech and the infrastructure.
Aside from some baws on a message board, who is saying this?
Everyone hates the doomer climate nazis saying the earth is gonna be inhabitable in 10 years, but for some reason it’s seen as a legitimate knock on EVs that our power infrastructure can’t handle every single vehicle becoming an EV tomorrow morning.
It’s gonna be ok baw. We probably won’t hit 50% EV for another decade or two.
Posted on 8/4/21 at 8:59 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Any infrastructure issues will be localized. As a whole, over the course of a year, our power plants operate at less than 50% capacity on average. Also it's possible, if not likely, that just new solar installations will outpace the extra demand by EVs.
for some reason it’s seen as a legitimate knock on EVs that our power infrastructure can’t handle every single vehicle becoming an EV tomorrow morning.
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