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re: WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:07 pm to mindbreaker
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:07 pm to mindbreaker
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What point? You stated an opinion. Or do you not know how burden or proof works either? Keep digging that hole kiddo.
All I said was that comparing s vaccine created in 2020 that hasn't been through the FDA vetting process and is still under Emergency Use Authorization to a drug that has nearly a half century of data behind it isn't a "valid point" as Powerman asserted.
Using that "valid point" as a way to deride anyone who would choose to take ivermectin under the premise that the vaccines are safer and have been properly vetted is not a valid point. Hubert calls names, but has yet to say anything. You are having fun toting his water.
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Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:10 pm to GumboPot
I know a chick in Kentucky who is a farmer. Definitely hillbilly. Their horse vet gave her Ivermectin last year when her entire family had covid. She never got the rona.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:14 pm to STEVED00
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I’ll say this, if you are using Ivermectin as a preventative out of fear of getting Covid for an extended period of time then I think you should just go ahead and get the vaccine.
Taking that stuff for a year I think would be problematic. Taking it for a few days when symptoms start up is really nothing to be concerned with if your are concerned about issues bc of taking ivermectin.
This is what my internal medicine guy told me this week. Keep doing the vitamin D, Zinc, and Quercetin as a preventative. Call immediately with any COVID symptoms and get the Ivermectin script.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:17 pm to LegendInMyMind
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All I said was
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re: WSJ: Why Is the FDA Attacking a Safe, Effective Drug?Posted on 7/29/21 at 1:00 pm to CrimsonFever
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To be fair, the stuff at the Tractor Supply has seen a whole lot more vetting than the vaccines.
That isn't debatable at all. Unless you're Powerman, anyway.
This post was edited on 7/29 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:19 pm to GumboPot
It’s not about getting rid of Covid it’s about controlling the people and their vaccine will likely lead to severe side effects later on and start killing a shite load of people
They want population control to battle climate change
They want population control to battle climate change
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:19 pm to mindbreaker
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Or do you not know how burden or proof works either? Keep digging that hole kiddo.
And, would you provide me a quote where I have made a statement regarding the efficacy of either Ivermectin or any of the vaccines?
I haven't.
My entire position in this thread has been that the "valid point" that Powerman made is not valid at all. In reality it simply cannot be a "valid point".
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 2:27 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:21 pm to deltaland
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It’s not about getting rid of Covid it’s about controlling the people and their vaccine will likely lead to severe side effects later on and start killing a shite load of people
They want population control to battle climate change
Concentration camps and gas chambers are the next step in the plot! Thank God for boomer with a computer to save us!
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:21 pm to mindbreaker
Care to refute that? Is it Ivermectin that is sold at Tractor Supply?
Answer these questions for me:
1. When was Ivermectin discovered?
2. When was it put into use in the medical field?
3. When were Covid vaccines discovered?
4. When were they put into use in the medical field?
Answer those for me, and then honestly tell me that what Powerman said was a "valid point".
Answer these questions for me:
1. When was Ivermectin discovered?
2. When was it put into use in the medical field?
3. When were Covid vaccines discovered?
4. When were they put into use in the medical field?
Answer those for me, and then honestly tell me that what Powerman said was a "valid point".
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:22 pm to deltaland
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They want population control to battle climate change
Wouldn't that be some shite if all we had left was Alabama, Mississippi, and Louisiana?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:22 pm to GumboPot
I thought we were against big pharma? Ivermectin is a Merck product. Isn't that all the vaccine is, a plot to make big pharma rich?
Just to be clear, drugs like Ivermectin should be looked at as viable treatment for fighting symptoms from what I've read, but the cognitive dissonance in the arguments of the conspiratorial anti-vaxxers has to be called out. You can't say "i'm against the vaccine because it's big pharma/not FDA approved" and then immediately tout something that is big pharma and not FDA approved.
Just to be clear, drugs like Ivermectin should be looked at as viable treatment for fighting symptoms from what I've read, but the cognitive dissonance in the arguments of the conspiratorial anti-vaxxers has to be called out. You can't say "i'm against the vaccine because it's big pharma/not FDA approved" and then immediately tout something that is big pharma and not FDA approved.
This post was edited on 7/29/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:24 pm to Powerman
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LOL but you won't take the vaccine because the FDA hasn't given it full use authorization right?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:27 pm to goldennugget
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Because they are bought and paid for by big pharma.
Use of the cheap drug dexamethasone weakens this argument.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:36 pm to When in Rome
Seems like a lot of intellectual people here I’m not as enlightened as some of you, what I am, is someone that can see a spade for what it is, something many here can’t
I’ve had friends with COVID, 3of the 4 recovered quickly, the 4th stayed sick 3weeks. 3 took HCQ,
It’s really simple. HCQ and Ivermctin work, that’s the ONLY reason they are advocating against it PERIOD.
Lot of new billionaires since this shite hit. It’s ALWAYS about the money.
The bigger question is when the rest of you wake up to the bullshite FAUCI,CDC,WHO , and all the rest of these so called experts that are pushing this shite down our throats
It’s not about protecting the public me and you. It’s about control and depopulation, that’s what they want
Ya’ do what you want. I know my course of action. Have a good day
I’ve had friends with COVID, 3of the 4 recovered quickly, the 4th stayed sick 3weeks. 3 took HCQ,
It’s really simple. HCQ and Ivermctin work, that’s the ONLY reason they are advocating against it PERIOD.
Lot of new billionaires since this shite hit. It’s ALWAYS about the money.
The bigger question is when the rest of you wake up to the bullshite FAUCI,CDC,WHO , and all the rest of these so called experts that are pushing this shite down our throats
It’s not about protecting the public me and you. It’s about control and depopulation, that’s what they want
Ya’ do what you want. I know my course of action. Have a good day
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:43 pm to TaderSalad
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Because we signed a contract with the major vax creators that they'd have rights to create a cure where one hasn't been created yet.
Well, I didn't sign shite.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:46 pm to Bmath
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LINK
TY for that link.
I conflated the HCQ with Ivermectin mechanism form listening to research molecular biologist/MDs discuss the topic and one of the doctors said Ivermectin works in the same way as HCQ or I could have misunderstood him.
Regardless that is a good link you provided.
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Ivermectin; IVM (red block) inhibits and disrupts binding of the SARS-CoV-2 S protein at the ACE-2
I'll edit my previous post.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:50 pm to GumboPot
So what do you do if you have COVID and want Ivermectin? Tell the doctor you want it? How often do they say OK here you go?
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:50 pm to REG861
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You can't say "i'm against the vaccine because it's big pharma/not FDA approved" and then immediately tout something that is big pharma and not FDA approved.
Look, when I buy drugs from my drug dealer I want the good stuff.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:52 pm to BusterW
I think when people are getting rich off of something or when the government is pushing something hard, the tendency is to lose trust in that thing because ulterior motives are clear (power, control, money, etc.). But there is another possible reality: that a lot of people are getting rich off of the solutions, a lot of people are gaining power from pushing these solutions, (in this case the vaccines) AND that the solutions work.
At the same time, some other methods might show promise but do not have the data to back those methods up. The tendency is to believe the anecdotal evidence because there is not a clear profiteer with skin in the game, (and BTW I do believe that the doctors like Pierre Kory pushing Ivermectin believe in using the drug to combat Covid and are acting in good faith). But those solutions should be viewed with just as much skepticism as the vaccines are viewed with with respect to treating covid, and they should also hold up to just as intense of scrutiny. HCQ and Ivermectin show promise but so far are not holding up to peer review and meta analyses. This should be acknowledged by all.
At the same time, some other methods might show promise but do not have the data to back those methods up. The tendency is to believe the anecdotal evidence because there is not a clear profiteer with skin in the game, (and BTW I do believe that the doctors like Pierre Kory pushing Ivermectin believe in using the drug to combat Covid and are acting in good faith). But those solutions should be viewed with just as much skepticism as the vaccines are viewed with with respect to treating covid, and they should also hold up to just as intense of scrutiny. HCQ and Ivermectin show promise but so far are not holding up to peer review and meta analyses. This should be acknowledged by all.
Posted on 7/29/21 at 2:54 pm to TigerTatorTots
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So what do you do if you have COVID and want Ivermectin? Tell the doctor you want it? How often do they say OK here you go?
Depends on the doctor.
But here is a source: LINK
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