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100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret

Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:39 am
Posted by Smellslikeupdog
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:39 am
Max Johnson: 88/150, 58.7%, 1,069 Yd, 8 TD, 1 Int, 134.8 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 41-15

Myles Brennan: 79/131, 60.3%, 1,112 Yd, 11 TD, 3 Int, 154.7 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 9-21

Let the debate begin
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 11:42 am
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:41 am to
Thanks. No one have ever posted these stats on a daily basis for use in forming and stating their opinions
Posted by tlsu15
Capital of Texas
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:42 am to
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Combined Opponent Record: 9-21


Even worse is that 2 of the 9 total wins came against us
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 11:44 am
Posted by Solo Cam
Member since Sep 2015
32977 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:44 am to
Max was great but Myles would have lit Ole Miss up too.
Also is Max getting credit for Bama record because he took snaps in that blowout?

What about A&M when he played like 2 series?

Surely it’s not that biased
Posted by bnb9433
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:46 am to
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Let the debate begin


No.
Posted by saturncube21
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 11:51 am to
It’s Max
Posted by GorgeousGeorge
Nola
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:07 pm to
It’s still unbelievable that we couldn’t punch it in with 4 tries from the 1 yard line against Missouri. Inexcusable.
Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:16 pm to
The combined stats aren't the best basis of comparison. In two of the 5 games Johnson played he came in during blowouts (Alabama and Auburn). That's a whole different situation than starting a game when it is 0-0 or playing in a pressure situation. To lesser extent, you could say the same for the A&M game when Johnson came in.

IMO, the best comparison is to use the OM/Fla games for Johnson and the MSU/Mizzou/Vandy games for Brennan.
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:16 pm to
not this shite again
Posted by MacReady25
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

Max Johnson: 88/150, 58.7%, 1,069 Yd, 8 TD, 1 Int, 134.8 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 41-15

Myles Brennan: 79/131, 60.3%, 1,112 Yd, 11 TD, 3 Int, 154.7 Rating.. Combined Opponent Record: 9-21

Let the debate begin


Add in rushing yds (100yds) and tds (2) for Max's and his stats improve.
Posted by TopWaterTiger
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Member since May 2006
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:34 pm to
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Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 12:39 pm to
quote:

100% objective QB stats last year for y'all to interpret
these stats are good, but context is needed, as always.

Another useful stat would be how the overall offense performed when each of them was QB.

Max's legs opens up more of the offense, and it would interesting to see how the entire offense did, not just each QBs passing and rushing stats.

Of course, the quality of the defense and the game status is also important (i.e., did yards come in garbage time, did we go conservative on offense due to the time and score of the game, did the opponent play softer defense, etc)

Long story short, no set of stats will truly tell the story, but they can help.
This post was edited on 7/27/21 at 12:40 pm
Posted by Purple Tiger King
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 1:06 pm to
Well the sample sizes are very small, but I would say that Max's opposition was more impressive relative to Myles' opposition.

Nonetheless, as we can see from the stats you posted, Myles Brennan's passing numbers are only slightly marginally better relative to Max Johnson's stats.

Normally, I would expect a far larger gap between a five year senior and a brand new true freshmen barely out of high school making his first two SEC starts, with his first one in such a hostile environment, who, courtesy of the Covid Pandemic, barely had any reps to transition from high-school ball to the SEC, which I don't care who you are, is a major transition for anyone.

Furthermore, passing is only one single aspect of being a good QB. As there is a whole other list of aspects that good QBs must be good at, and in all of those other aspects of being a good QB, Max Johnson exceeds Myles Brennan significantly because Max can hurt teams with either his arm or his legs. While Myles, on the other hand, is only a one dimensional QB that can inflict damage only with his arm. Meanwhile, per last year's passing stat's, Myles was only slightly marginally better than Max but against weaker competition.

Moreover, Myles couldn't convert third and fourth down situations for nothing last season. As every football team today employs third-down rush packages, and when these third-down rush packages were deployed against LSU last year, Myles either threw the ball away, got sacked, or was forced outside the pocket where he rarely completes a pass.

While Max on the other hand, was much better at escaping the pass rush and completing passes under those situations. He also escaped the pass rush on many occasions by running for first downs.

Not to mention that Max was also far better relative to Myles at converting quarterback sneaks for first downs.

In fact, one thing sticks in my craw that I just can't get out of my mind. When Myles had a first and goal to goal from the one yard line with the game on the line against a very depleted Missouri team, yet Myles couldn't lead LSU to score the go ahead touchdown.

Meanwhile, had Max Johnson been the QB in the game instead, LSU would have scored on first down and won the game.

I mean it's very obvious given the extremely tiny gap in passing stats between Myles and Max last year and in which is only one single aspect of being a good QB, that Max will be the better starter for LSU.

Not to mention, that most young QBs make their biggest jumps in improvements from year one to year two because the game is starting to slow down for them and their heads aren't always constantly spinning.

In fact, I bet Max is a far better passer and far better overall QB today than he was against Florida and Ole Miss last season.
Posted by ibleedprplngld
Lafayette, LA
Member since Jan 2012
4387 posts
Posted on 7/27/21 at 2:25 pm to
I wish this debate would die and we let it play out on the field.....
Posted by LSUTIGERS8181
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 7/27/21 at 5:17 pm to
It’s obviously Max. Idk how many times I can post this
Posted by p&g
Dixie
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 7/28/21 at 7:40 am to
I re watched second half last night of Florida game.

I’m not sure Max made one play the entire half.
Numerous 3 and outs
Seemed he always threw ball to check down receiver and missed open wrs that would have resulted in big gains.


I’ve got more faith in Myles than Max at this point. That obv could easily change.
Posted by Captain Crown
Member since Jun 2011
51966 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 8:08 am to
It's never an LSU offseason without QB talk
Posted by JR
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2005
1241 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 9:14 am to
How about Wins and Losses for each? The most important stat!
Posted by Tigers222
Member since Jun 2021
191 posts
Posted on 7/28/21 at 10:36 am to
Max Johnson 2-0

Myles Brennan 1-2
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