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Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:18 pm to Tiguar
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Why don’t you read the study, L&D nurse?
Read it.... Just read it AGAIN
Is there something in there that is supposed to be a positive for pregnant women or those hoping to be preganat in the future? Or, the offspring of a placenta filled with spike proteins? My kids got this shite against my wishes because that electronic babysitter in their hands told them to do it or be branded as SELFISH frickS. My daughter wants children more than anything. Nothing in this article is positive for anybody of childbearing age. YOU NEED TO READ IT YOURSELF.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 7:40 pm to Tiguar
I have a friend with a different circle of four friends — one is a nurse that is going through ivf so no vaccine lee her choice. The other 3 friends were all pregnant and all 3 had miscarriages.
All had taken the vaccine — I am not clear as to the timing of the vaccine related to pregnancy but those aren’t normal odds.
Anecdotal I know but it’s enough for me to highly discourage my 20 daughter who has had covid already to not take the vaccine.
All had taken the vaccine — I am not clear as to the timing of the vaccine related to pregnancy but those aren’t normal odds.
Anecdotal I know but it’s enough for me to highly discourage my 20 daughter who has had covid already to not take the vaccine.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 7:41 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:08 pm to Tiguar
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Are you locking yourself up and hiding from infection?
If not, would you rather catch something made in a Chinese lab or an American lab
Hey Tiguar... Fauci holds a patent for mRNA vaccine... Chew on the potential conflicts in that statement....! His wife was a public official instrumental in mRNA Covid vaccine being allowed for emergency use. 5 new BILLIONAIRES have been created by the worldwide use of this experimental horseshite AND the manufacturers cannot be held liable if it is proven harmful in time...
WHAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:17 pm to TNoon
The Racist left has been relentless in getting people of color vaccinated.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 8:55 pm to ole man
quote:Illiterate
Your the frickin quack looser
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:00 pm to TNoon
My brother knocked up his gf after they were both fully vaccinated. So there goes that theory.
ETA: The spike proteins in the vaccine are also the spike proteins from the actual virus. Which means that if you get infected with the virus, then your body will make an immune response to those same spike proteins. Also the hypothesis about the spike proteins being similar to proteins in the placenta has no evidence to back it up and has been rejected. Plus you will have to go through having covid.
ETA: The spike proteins in the vaccine are also the spike proteins from the actual virus. Which means that if you get infected with the virus, then your body will make an immune response to those same spike proteins. Also the hypothesis about the spike proteins being similar to proteins in the placenta has no evidence to back it up and has been rejected. Plus you will have to go through having covid.
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:15 pm to Tigahs24Seven
Covid is No Bueno for the Brain
Well on the plus side your vaccinated kids will likely not contract a disease that appears to cause neurological damage. So that’s a positive.
Being concerned about a new vaccine is legitimate. However, the evidence of negative outcomes from a covid infection is quite robust, whereas the evidence of negative outcomes from a covid vaccine is quite speculative. At this moment in time, fearing the vaccine more than an infection is fearing ghosts more than reality. It’s an irrational position to take.
Well on the plus side your vaccinated kids will likely not contract a disease that appears to cause neurological damage. So that’s a positive.
Being concerned about a new vaccine is legitimate. However, the evidence of negative outcomes from a covid infection is quite robust, whereas the evidence of negative outcomes from a covid vaccine is quite speculative. At this moment in time, fearing the vaccine more than an infection is fearing ghosts more than reality. It’s an irrational position to take.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:28 pm to ned nederlander
Ned....Lets see if you are still following this logic in 10 years....
Kids almost never have symptomatic or severe disease, nor are they good vectors. I would 100% take the chance with Covid... If I had small kids or teens they would NEVER be given an experimental vaccine..
Also, the vaccine and natural disease have different immune reaponses. They ARE NOT the same.
Kids almost never have symptomatic or severe disease, nor are they good vectors. I would 100% take the chance with Covid... If I had small kids or teens they would NEVER be given an experimental vaccine..
Also, the vaccine and natural disease have different immune reaponses. They ARE NOT the same.
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There was a difference between the antibodies elicited by natural infection compared to that from the vaccine. Since the vaccine does not have the nucleocapsid protein, there are no antibodies against this in the vaccine-induced antibodies. However, antibodies against nucleocapsid were seen in natural infection, suggesting this could be a biomarker for natural infection.
Further testing revealed that vaccines elicit more antibodies against the spike protein receptor-binding domain (RBD) compared to the antibodies seen in natural infection. All individuals had antibodies to seasonal flu, and cold and the levels were the same for all irrespective of whether they had COVID-19.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:35 pm to Tigahs24Seven
The govt has experimented with segments of its population since the beginning of time.
When they are doing a million dollar lottery to get folks to take the vaccine, alarms should be ringing.
When they are doing a million dollar lottery to get folks to take the vaccine, alarms should be ringing.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 10:43 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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L&D Nurse here
Well that would explain why you missed the study published in this week's edition of JAMA.
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study of sperm parameters before and after 2 doses of a COVID-19 mRNA vaccine, there were no significant decreases in any sperm parameter among this small cohort of healthy men. Because the vaccines contain mRNA and not the live virus, it is unlikely that the vaccine would affect sperm parameters
Yes this was a small cohort and yes the research into male fertility is still limited. However, there has been no scientific evidence discovered to date to back up the hypothesis that the covid vaccine affects male fertility. So the concerns about male infertility appear to not be a thing at this point.
Female fertility has been studied more extensively than male fertility. I will let MDs at John Hopkins explain it for you.
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No, getting the COVID-19 vaccine will not affect your fertility. Women actively trying to conceive may be vaccinated with the current COVID-19 vaccines — there is no reason to delay pregnancy after completing the vaccine series.
Confusion around this issue arose when a false report surfaced on social media, saying that the spike protein on this coronavirus was the same as another spike protein called syncitin-1 that is involved in the growth and attachment of the placenta during pregnancy. The false report said that getting the COVID-19 vaccine would cause a woman’s body to fight this different spike protein and affect her fertility. The two spike proteins are completely different, and getting the COVID-19 vaccine will not affect the fertility of women who are seeking to become pregnant, including through in vitro fertilization methods. During the Pfizer vaccine tests, 23 women volunteers involved in the study became pregnant, and the only one in the trial who suffered a pregnancy loss had not received the actual vaccine, but a placebo.
Here is just one of the many studies that so far have found no evidence of antibodies attacking the placenta or causing problems with breast feeding.
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Results Fifteen consented participants (mean age 40.4 years, various ethnicities) who received at least one dose of BNT162B2, including five breast-feeding women and two women who were inadvertently vaccinated in early pregnancy, were recruited. BNT162B2 mRNA, detected by amplifying part of the spike-encoding region, was detected in plasma 1-4 days following the first dose (n=13), but not 4-5 weeks later (n=2), nor was the mRNA isolated from aqueous or lipid breast milk fractions collected 0-7 days post-vaccination (n=5). Vaccine recipients demonstrated strong SARS-CoV-2 neutralising activity by at least four weeks after the first dose (n=15), including the two pregnant women. None had placental anti-syncytin-1 binding antibodies at either time-point following vaccination.
So basically you are
This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:05 pm to TNoon
It should have been a huge red flag to anyone with a brain, this excludes Dim’s obviously, that the guy who has made comments about reducing world population and has been vaccinating people in Africa also had a hand in creating this vaccine.
Reason #1 not to get it
Reason #1 not to get it
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:40 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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Lets see if you are still following this logic in 10 years....
Yes I hope in 10 years I still weight known risks over speculative risks when doing a cost benefit analysis. And we weren’t talking about very young kids who still aren’t approved for the vaccine. We were talking about your kids who are clearly adults with the capacity to arraign for their own vaccinations.
But my point actually isn’t that concerns over the vaccine are unfounded. My point is the long term consequences of a covid infection are as unknown as the long term consequences of the vaccine. So in my mind those two concerns should cancel each other out in the decision making process.
What puzzles me are the people that express concern about the unknown, long term risks of the vaccine but seem unperturbed by the equally unknown, long term risks of an actual infection.
Posted on 6/18/21 at 11:54 pm to DarthTiger
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This post was edited on 6/18/21 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 6/19/21 at 12:55 am to ned nederlander
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What puzzles me are the people that express concern about the unknown, long term risks of the vaccine but seem unperturbed by the equally unknown, long term risks of an actual infection.
You make sense until your conclusion. Yes, there may be long-term damage with both the virus and the vaccine. The sensible approach would be to avoid both. The risk from the immediate effects of the virus is small.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 1:28 am to SquatchDawg
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I work with a lot of doctors and pediatricians are openly wary of the vaccine for kids. Or at least the smart ones are.
I took my 17 y/o for her check up, along with the 9 y/o
The pediatrician said he thought she didn’t need the vaccine - I was appreciative of that honesty
Posted on 6/19/21 at 2:18 am to tiger91
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All had taken the vaccine — I am not clear as to the timing of the vaccine related to pregnancy but those aren’t normal odds
It is something to think about if the timing is as you say it is. But miscarriages are incredibly common. Upwards of 50% of all fertilization events end in spontaneous abortion.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 2:23 am to roadGator
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How worried should I have been about a virus that seems to target people not like me?
But human immunity doesn't work this way. It is the most obvious example of the social context of human evolution. That it may not target you is a myopic way of approaching it.
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:37 am to Tigahs24Seven
quote:Folks in this thread should consider this Tiguar statement:
Is there something in there that is supposed to be a positive for pregnant women or those hoping to be preganat in the future? Or, the offspring of a placenta filled with spike proteins?
"We’ve come full circle from laughing at long term effects of COVID to shitting ourselves at long term effects of a vaccine for COVID."
It is a salient observation.
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As an L&D Nurse there are a couple of facts you should be aware of.
(1) ACOG recommends vaccination.
(2) ACOG finds no evidence whatsoever of vaccine associated teratogenicity or reproductive interference.
(3) There is scant evidence of ANY vaccine generated s-protein getting to the ovaries and/or placenta in humans. Concern there is derived from rat studies with a 500-fold overdose of vaccine.
(4) There is no evidence of a postulated anti-Syncytin response occurring in humans.
(5) There is evidence severity of CV19 increases with pregnancy, placing parturients at higher risk if they contract Covid-19.
(6) In contrast with vaccine-generated s-protein, during CV19 infection systemic spike protein is present including significant amounts in both ovaries and placenta.
Here are some ACOG takeaways:
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• Pregnancy testing should not be a requirement prior to receiving any EUA-approved COVID-19 vaccine.
• Importantly, claims linking COVID-19 vaccines to infertility are unfounded and have no scientific evidence supporting them. ACOG recommends vaccination for all eligible people who may consider future pregnancy.
• ACOG strongly recommends that all eligible persons receive a COVID-19 vaccine or vaccine series, depending on the product. Obstetrician-gynecologists and other women’s health care practitioners should lead by example by being vaccinated and encouraging eligible patients to be vaccinated as well.
This post was edited on 6/19/21 at 4:54 am
Posted on 6/19/21 at 4:52 am to Tigahs24Seven
quote:Yeah.
My kids got this shite against my wishes because that electronic babysitter in their hands told them to do it or be branded as SELFISH frickS.
I'm generally opposed to pressure or mandate for the vaccine. Those are individual choices.
However, when it comes to teens/preteens, pressure or CV19-vax mandate is absurd. It is ignorant.
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