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If equal outcomes (equity) will be assured by the state, what motivation exists?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:23 am
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:23 am
Subject.
I would like to hear from our local equity enthusiasts how people are supposed to be motivated to work and/or be exceptional if the state all but guarantees equity of outcome.
This is a good-faith question. Equity of outcome isn’t conceptually a bad thing from a certain view of morality but I’m struggling to see how it works without bringing down the net standard of living of the entire unit as a whole due to decreased output and effort of the citizenry.
How do you get people to work hard when it doesn’t matter without the threat of violence?
I would like to hear from our local equity enthusiasts how people are supposed to be motivated to work and/or be exceptional if the state all but guarantees equity of outcome.
This is a good-faith question. Equity of outcome isn’t conceptually a bad thing from a certain view of morality but I’m struggling to see how it works without bringing down the net standard of living of the entire unit as a whole due to decreased output and effort of the citizenry.
How do you get people to work hard when it doesn’t matter without the threat of violence?
This post was edited on 6/12/21 at 8:23 am
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Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:28 am to Tiguar
Morally, I see your point. It is like sunshine, puppies, and unicorns.
IRL an impossibility. As you point out there is zero motivation. It does not take into account human nature and the propensity to be a giver or a taker, which would (and has historically) ended in disaster.
IRL an impossibility. As you point out there is zero motivation. It does not take into account human nature and the propensity to be a giver or a taker, which would (and has historically) ended in disaster.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:31 am to Tiguar
quote:Fear.
If equal outcomes (equity) will be assured by the state, what motivation exists?
It's worked in every communist regime.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:31 am to Tiguar
I’m not going to take equity seriously until it is applied to all races and settings.
No football team can have more than 2 black players on the field for any play.
No basketball team can have more than one black player on the court at any time.
No football team can have more than 2 black players on the field for any play.
No basketball team can have more than one black player on the court at any time.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 8:40 am to Tiguar
quote:
This is a good-faith question. Equity of outcome isn’t conceptually a bad thing from a certain view of morality but I’m struggling to see how it works without bringing down the net standard of living of the entire unit as a whole due to decreased output and effort of the citizenry.
Rand pretty much nailed this in Atlas Shrugged.
The owner of Twentieth Century Motors dies. His three heirs inherit the company. Their first act as new owners of the company is to pay everyone the same wage...everyone. What happens next is just human nature.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 9:51 am to Tiguar
All white men should identify as black or hispanic females
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:03 am to Tiguar
quote:
what motivation exists?
The motivation to rely on the State for everything. This is the goal of the Communist Leftist filth. To make the State your God.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:15 am to Tiguar
As Thomas Sowell said, how can we expect equal outcomes between strangers, when siblings who grow up in the same house don’t have equal outcomes?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:28 am to Tiguar
An interesting example is the lack of signs on main streets in Cuba. There are no signs like 'Jose's Cafe...Half Price Tuesday!'
The reason is that owners don't give a shite. The state pays them the same whether you come into their cafe or not. Hey, signs just cost more money.
The reason is that owners don't give a shite. The state pays them the same whether you come into their cafe or not. Hey, signs just cost more money.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:32 am to NC_Tigah
quote:Was wondering when the 800 pound gorilla in the room was going to be introduced.
Fear.
It's worked in every communist regime.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:48 am to Tiguar
Government is the only thing we all belong to
Posted on 6/12/21 at 10:51 am to Tiguar
There is no reason to think that this will happen so the incentive to work hard remains
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:28 am to Tiguar
I think it could only happen far into the future. Say 100 years or so. At that point the state wouldn’t need so much out put from citizens when nearly everything is automated.
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:32 am to Powerman
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There is no reason to think that this will happen so the incentive to work hard remains
The countless examples of inner city cycles of poverty where people live off the government for generations isn’t reason enough for you to think this will happen?
Posted on 6/12/21 at 11:35 am to Tiguar
Equity is a false front meant to garner support from the more-numbered lower classes. But the people in charge certainly don't want equity, they want power. The members of the Politburo and the Khmer Rouge didn't stand in bread lines. The urge to save or fix society is simply a ruse to control and rule over said society and its people.
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