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re: Is there a more stupid person on Earth than AOC? NO!
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:38 am to Korkstand
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:38 am to Korkstand
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Lack of policing or ineffective policing? This is where opinions differ and where the problem starts.
In this case, those are essentially the exact same thing. You have mayors, police chiefs, and DA's that have absolutely neutered policing through both department policies and threats of prosecution of cops over pretty much everything. BR is a perfect example. SWB had some very effective tools within the BRAVE program and she did away with it resulting in her reigning over the 2 deadliest years in the city's history and is currently on pace to set yet another homicide record. Of course, her solution, like so many other mayors of her ilk, is to "invest more in programs and schools" which has played out about as well as we imagined.
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Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:38 am to Maytheporkbewithyou
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BOOMER MEMES!
The word Boomer is played out. I'm also not convinced it is an insult anymore. Their generation does have vastly more life experience and can be relied on for sound advice. Smart people rely on those with more experience and knowledge by recognizing their own ignorance.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:39 am to Gravitiger
quote:
This board is not equipped for this conversation.
Sure it is, when all parts of the problem can be addressed.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:40 am to TigerPaul
quote:Sure. That usually comes with being older.
vastly more life experience
quote:Massive assumption. My boomer parents and family are awesome. Everyone's aren't.
can be relied on for sound advice
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 10:41 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:40 am to Gravitiger
quote:
Dude has raised some good points and some lousy ones. You're conveniently only responding to the latter.
I've responded to all the points he's addressed with me and have agreed with him on some. He's responding in a completely childish way to those that counter his points. That's just a fact.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:41 am to upgrayedd
quote:Except the last one he raised.
I've responded to all the points he's addressed with me and have agreed with him on some. He's responding in a completely childish way to those that counter his points. That's just a fact.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:42 am to DemonKA3268
quote:Can all parts of the problem be addressed, with actual informed opinions?
Sure it is, when all parts of the problem can be addressed.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 10:43 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:42 am to Gravitiger
quote:
Except the last one he raised.
Which is what?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:43 am to upgrayedd
quote:Literally the last post he made
Which is what?
ETA: My bad. You did eventually respond.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 10:44 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:43 am to DemonKA3268
quote:I love that you can't agree with me and instead just don't disagree.
Don't disagree. It starts with communication, both ways
It's a start.
quote:Instead of taking it as what the police do wrong, think of it as suggestions for what they can do better in some departments. We talk about crime all the time, and what crime-ridden communities should do better. But solutions need to work both ways, right?
Will actual crime ever be discussed or just what the police do wrong?
quote:You can't help everyone.
Don't disagree but for some it doesn't matter.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:44 am to Gravitiger
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Can all parts of the problem be addressed, with actual informed opinions?
Why can't they all be addressed? ALL parts of the problem.
There are some on here that will never be able to do that.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:46 am to upgrayedd
quote:Have you read the OP?
Goddamn, dude. Stop with the childish, simplistic, emotional responses.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:46 am to loopback
quote:
I have personally seen dozens of YMCA federally funded centers be built brand spanking new with state of the art computer labs, games, outdoor recreation, etc and every single one went to shite at an alarming pace. I've seen businesses, parks, community pools, all get established and subsequently fall apart in record time. We've all seen this, pretending otherwise is just hiding from the real issue. Doesn't matter what you do, until the people who use these facilities change, they will continue to deteriorate and be nothing more than wasteful spending
We don't have a YMCA here, but we do have a Youth Center that does similar things.
One of the most bleeding heart suburban white women (she is an absolute wonderful woman who continuously puts her money where her mouth is in service to our underprivileged community) i've ever met, went to work at it and quit in about 3 months because she just couldn't handle the absolute bureaucracy and constant problems that arises from the kids that frequent it.
The dude that runs our local food bank and has committed his life to service and ministry worked there for a year and it completely broke him down and quit.
A lot of it comes from the top down, but continuing to try and help some people that don't want to be help requires some willful ignorance. Not saying that there doesn't still need to be effort there, of course it's needed, but throwing money at the situation has been a bust for 50 years.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 10:48 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:47 am to Korkstand
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I love that you can't agree with me and instead just don't disagree
Pointless but expected
quote:
Instead of taking it as what the police do wrong, think of it as suggestions for what they can do better in some departments. We talk about crime all the time, and what crime-ridden communities should do better. But solutions need to work both ways, right?
Do we really talk about crime? What should they do better in the crime ridden communities?
quote:
You can't help everyone.
Nope, sure can't.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:47 am to upgrayedd
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The only fix is a cultural fix
When over 60% of black children grow up in single-parent households, largely driven by incarceration for non-violent crimes, it's tough to change culture. More than one in three black men end up in jail or prison at some point in their lives. That's messed up.
How can you change a culture when the adult male portion of that culture are often imprisoned or, if they stay out of prison, have no real job prospects?
This is why you see a push from some DAs to stop drug arrests, kill the bail/bond system (people who can't pay bail are stuck in jail for months without having been convicted!), and show more leniency for a plethora of crimes than we're used to. Controversial, for sure, but when you dig into some of the terrifying statistics of urban black neighborhoods, it's impossible to ignore the cultural impact that incarceration and hyper-policing have had on these communities.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 10:49 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:49 am to Korkstand
quote:
Have you read the OP?
Yes, so stop acting as if you're above it while doing the same dumb shite he is.
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:49 am to DemonKA3268
quote:I believe they can. I didn't say they can't. You did. And you didn't answer my question. Why do you think they can't?
Why can't they all be addressed? ALL parts of the problem.
There are some on here that will never be able to do that.
There are many on here who refuse to acknowledge all parts of the problem, and who will never be able to do that.
This post was edited on 4/29/21 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:50 am to DemonKA3268
quote:This is the topic of the thread. There are countless other threads where blame goes 100% the other way.
Back to blaming the issue on one thing.
quote:It is. We're talking about how we should address it.
Is crime going to be addressed?
quote:Agreed. (See that's not so hard
Problem is, there is no one size fits all solution. Effective communication from both sides would be a start.
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Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:50 am to mmmmmbeeer
So hold certain people less accountable for their actions?
Posted on 4/29/21 at 10:53 am to Geekboy
To be fair she never suggested Guam might tip over.
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