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re: Removing Guice from the records is absurd

Posted on 4/24/21 at 3:13 pm to
Posted by atltiger6487
Member since May 2011
18157 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 3:13 pm to
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Hmm, imagine that. A bunch of stuck up white boys hating a black dude who came from a different background. Doesn't surprise me
this doesn't have a thing to do with race. You're just playing the worn-out race card.
Posted by bayouawhiskey
North Carolina
Member since Oct 2005
377 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 3:21 pm to
I only care about sports in the present. I don’t care about sports in the past. Yet erasure of sports statistics is only something a politician would argue is a useful tool. Better get to cancelling stats for all NCAA players who allegedly did bad deeds, or players who were convicted of a felony (that is an absurdly long list). Funny LSU wants to punish Guice but do nothing to punish the institution of enablement. All of it is trash.
Posted by TheHarahanian
Actually not Harahan as of 6/2023
Member since May 2017
19569 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 3:44 pm to
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do we as a society really want to celebrate people like that in any way?

It’s not about celebrating him. What he did on the field is a fact, and it’s recorded in books that contain factual statistics. Removing his data from those books doesn’t change what he did; it makes the books contain lies.

Assume the LSU pres once shook hands with Guice, and now decides to cut off his right hand so if anybody ever asks him if it happened, he can point at the missing hand and deny it. It doesn’t change what happened, and it makes him a liar and a huge idiot.
This post was edited on 4/24/21 at 3:50 pm
Posted by muddbone
nola
Member since Nov 2013
1133 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 8:06 pm to
He put a stain on his name. He was a member of the football team.
Posted by SeanLSU
Member since May 2019
1759 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 8:26 pm to
We gonna wipe out Billy Cannon too while we're at it? I mean ... it's ridiculous. Keep Guice away from the program for a time period I guess, but changing record books is stupid.
Posted by Gulf Coast Tiger
Ms Gulf Coast
Member since Jan 2004
18680 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 9:05 pm to
Cecil Collins name is still in the record books, but Guice won't be? That makes no sense
Posted by dallastigers
Member since Dec 2003
5743 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 9:05 pm to
If he cheated in the games or used performance enhancing drugs I could see removal, but deleting from records in this case is stupid.

It’s the schools fault for ignoring complaints and reports of behavior and continuing to play him. Following their own logic they should delete/forfeit all games he played in after first finding out and refund tickets and any money made above standard SEC contract while he played.

Also it’s not like schools haven’t long covered for athletes. It’s harder with social media and cameras everywhere (or delayed like in Guice’s case), but usually in past what finally made it to press was something that just could no longer have enough pressure or money to stop report. Athletes have always been treated specially in high schools and colleges, but the ones playing in money making sports are the true privileged class of students at colleges making some of comments by former players farcical. Guice wasn’t the first (still waiting for Ryan’s truth to come out) and will not be the last, and LSU is not alone by a long shot.

LSU and every other school need to stop having lower expectations of their athletes behavior than of their non-athlete students and stop covering up their mistakes and in some cases illegal activities. NCAA needs to stop letting problems just transfer and ignore becoming responsible adults.

Deleting record doesn’t fix anything and is just a distraction to real solutions including holding athletes accountable for their behavior off the field as much or more than the schools glorify and profit from their actions on the field and finding a fair system to replace the travesty that title IX has become for both sides.


This post was edited on 4/24/21 at 9:11 pm
Posted by Tigertoof
Arizona
Member since Nov 2019
255 posts
Posted on 4/24/21 at 11:19 pm to
OJ was found Not Guilty!!!!
Posted by tigergirl26
Member since Jan 2013
1198 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 12:13 am to
I agree. Cancelling stats is stupid especially when you havent removed Cecil Collins or Billy Cannon. But he should be banned. Just another way the university is trying to save face for not doing the right thing and fire ALL individuals involved in these allegations. Just trying to make themselves appear to be in control before the federal hearing and following lawsuits. They're gonna pay one way or another.
Posted by cliffset21
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2007
373 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 1:40 am to
LSU needs to change the end of the fight song from “Forever LSU” to “However LSU”!
Posted by TigerNlc
Chocolate City
Member since Jun 2006
32513 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 6:39 am to
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It’s not about celebrating him. What he did on the field is a fact, and it’s recorded in books that contain factual statistics. Removing his data from those books doesn’t change what he did; it makes the books contain lies. Assume the LSU pres once shook hands with Guice, and now decides to cut off his right hand so if anybody ever asks him if it happened, he can point at the missing hand and deny it. It doesn’t change what happened, and it makes him a liar and a huge idiot.

Some people like erasing history. LSU is run by those people.
Posted by Geaux Guy
Member since Dec 2018
5349 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 6:57 am to
It’s a show. Have to do something to act like we’re taking it seriously.
Posted by tigernnola
NOLA
Member since Sep 2016
3589 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 7:27 am to
Have to agree with the absurdity. You can’t erase history. The REL statue is gone, but the civil war really happened. History cannot be erased or rewritten.
Posted by SOL2
Dallas burbs
Member since Jan 2020
4806 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 8:13 am to
If he is that bad, why isn't he in jail?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99174 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 8:37 am to
There's a statue in front of the stadium of a guy who did time for counterfeiting.

I've said this plenty since they said I am a racist and put the school colors of a OD'ing felon who died while resisting arrest on the stadium light...

frick LSU!
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
68487 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 10:37 am to
So what exactly was guice accused of?

Is it on deshaun Watson’s level or Bill Cosby level?
Posted by Tigertoof
Arizona
Member since Nov 2019
255 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 12:09 pm to
I agree!
Posted by ChunkyLover54
Member since Apr 2015
6530 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 12:35 pm to
Yeah that’s stupid, but ok with him not being around the program
Posted by P bean
br
Member since Dec 2006
4073 posts
Posted on 4/25/21 at 3:54 pm to
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Pretty common? Can you name five other players in the history of college football who have had their individual stats erased from the record books? I'm a football junkie and I can't.


Use google if you like. Its no different than schools vacating wins for using an ineligible player, its basically a move by the school to self inflict punishment and hopefully avoid more punishment by the NCAA

So yeah its pretty common.

Was this “cancel culture” around with Reggie Bush? No. You mf’rs are some huge pussies. Cry me a fricking river.

This post was edited on 4/25/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted by LSUfan71
Watson, LA
Member since Jul 2006
156 posts
Posted on 4/27/21 at 10:03 am to

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Rigggghhht. Because thats the only way that Kapernick was canceled. Its not like he wasnt trashed in the media for taking the advice of a fellow NFL player and an actual soldier who advised him that kneeling is more respectful.

Shut up biggot.


The four highest paid quarterbacks in NFL history are all black, Karen.

Name calling wouldn't be necessary if you had an intelligent argument.
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