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Average ROI on a Vacation Rental

Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:56 am
Posted by LSUOFFSHORE
Madisonville,LA
Member since Nov 2007
568 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 9:56 am
RE prices are nuts. I have been for some time looking for a beach vacation rental. I found one I liked, but my ROI is just under 5%.

What is a good ROI on a Vacation Rental?

Breakdown of potential rental:
Purchase Price $370,000.00
Down Payment $74,000.00
Rental Income $27,644.00
HOA $5,064.00
Taxes $3,030.00
Insurance $1,200.00
Total Expense $9,294.00
Profit $18,350.00
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
21595 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:10 am to
If you are financing about $300k of the purchase price, why would you not include the interest on the loan in your expenses. Also, depreciation should be considered part of the total expenses?

If you are only factoring in cash flow, then should you also incorporate the principal payments?
Posted by AUHighPlainsDrifter
South Carolina
Member since Sep 2017
3236 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:29 am to
IMO, $532/week (average over 52 weeks) isn't very much rental income for a $370K home. My friend lives next door to a house that is rented out at least 60% of the year at $120/night. It is a $170K house. If I were investing that much, I would look for something that isn't going to be a seasonal rental.
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
72203 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 10:30 am to
No Maintenance/Cleaning cost? That's something you're missing from expenses. You're also managing the property yourself, not hiring anyone to manage it? That would be another cost if you're having someone manage it for you.

Also why did you leave out the mortgage on this if you're not paying for it all in cash.

30-year on $296k @ 3% would be about $1,250 a month, that's $15k a year on top of the HOA, Insurance and Taxes. So from a cash flow POV, looks you you be breaking even at best when factoring in other expenses you didnt plus mortgage. Basically just getting equity in the unit as you pay it down, not really a cash flow positive cow.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 10:37 am
Posted by SalE
At the beach
Member since Jan 2020
3107 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:00 am to
These days 7 % is the norm...used to be 10 % but price appreciation has cut into that.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:09 am to
You’re missing a lot of costs in there
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
4163 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:38 am to
I would advise getting a time machine and going back to 2014 and buying one.

Wish I would have had money to buy more than one back then. Best advice to maximize rate of return is to buy a 1 bedroom. Occupancy rates are much higher and furniture last longer than bigger ones that multiple families room together in.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
40907 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 11:53 am to
Depreciation would be about 13K a year. Add in interest expense and you are definitely showing a net tax loss.

Not the worst thing in the world, if you are betting on appreciation, and you are getting some personal use out of it.

I can't imagine buying a beach rental today and imagining you are going to make money off of it each year. Buy it because you want to use it a little bit, rent it a lot, and long-term appreciation.
Posted by LSUOFFSHORE
Madisonville,LA
Member since Nov 2007
568 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:33 pm to
quote:

I can't imagine buying a beach rental today and imagining you are going to make money off of it each year. Buy it because you want to use it a little bit, rent it a lot, and long-term appreciation


Yeah, the math just doesn’t work out to do it any other way.
Posted by Tigerpaw123
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2007
17867 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 12:51 pm to
And don’t forget to factor in the loss of the interest of the 75k you are using as a down payment

So don’t look at this as an investment, because thre are far better ways to invest your money, if a beach property is something you really want....,, look at this as a way to help you pay for it, but be ready for headaches, maintenance and assessments
This post was edited on 4/3/21 at 7:56 am
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
45831 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:08 pm to
I wouldn't want to own a rental that I couldn't easily drive to if stuff happens. You'd be surprised how much weird shite happens when you own a rental
Posted by Ramblin Wreck
Member since Aug 2011
4163 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 1:24 pm to
quote:

I can't imagine buying a beach rental today and imagining you are going to make money off of it each year.


Beach condo rentals should be viewed differently than other investments. First, only buy one if you just want to own a beach condo and have someone else subsidize the expenses. Unless you put 50% down, you aren’t going to have physical income more than likely. Second, if you have other types of real estate investments that generate income, having something that loses money on paper can be beneficial. This negative income offsets positive income on other properties from a tax standpoint. In reality, you have a beach condo, others are helping with the payments, it has a net reduction on your income taxes and all mileage and trips to the beach are a business expense.
Posted by AndyJ
Member since Jul 2008
3572 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 2:18 pm to
I bought one in Orange Beach this year. I put 15% down and I suspect I’ll have about a 7-9% ROI after all said and done. BUT I am self managing, so I am actually working to get that return. Not simply passive income. If a rental management company is taking 18% (the going rate in Orange Beach) or more, it is really tough to make money. Remote Self management really isn’t that hard these days with Smartbnb, Pricelabs, and some other apps if you have a good cleaner and handyman.
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
52478 posts
Posted on 4/2/21 at 4:14 pm to
You need to study this investment more. Look at your monthly mortgage and escrow expense. And you’ll have management and repair/maintenance expenses with a rental.

From experience (with a mountain property) , if you don’t put 50% down, do not expect net return anytime soon.

This is not to say the investment is a bad idea...it can be a great investment. Just don’t expect a moderate down payment to cash flow.
This post was edited on 4/2/21 at 4:18 pm
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