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re: Church membership among US adults falls below 50% for the first time ever
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:01 pm to Salmon
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:01 pm to Salmon
Main point is, who gives a shite how many people report they go to church? It’s a useless stat in a very different world than 100 years ago when that was a VERY important thing.
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Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:02 pm to LSUdubai
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that religion is the primary cause of world conflict
There's a little bit of difference in a religion that says "convert or I will physically kill you" and one that says "I love you so please accept Jesus' free gift of salvation." Therefore there is conflict.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:03 pm to LSUdubai
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Main point is, who gives a shite how many people report they go to church?
I find shifts is society/culture interesting
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:03 pm to LSUdubai
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Honestly all the retards that don’t realize that religion is the primary cause of world conflict is just amazing.
Love it when the college kids puke up their professors quotes. Money well spent.
The 20th century called to talk about secular humanism if you're available.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:04 pm to squid_hunt
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I think this is something we have underestimated. We assumed society could be moral without religion because we've always been under religion. It's like a fish assuming it could breath if you removed the water because he's always been able to breath before. It's a childish way of thinking, but after last summer, we are obviously dealing with a society of children.
As an American, I think an areligious society can be a moral society.
As a Christian, I think the same, I just question to what ultimate end, and whether it's sustainable. It rests too much on fighting off some impulses of inherently sinful human nature, and that put up against "being a good person/neighbor" isn't likely to persist.
Years ago I said the same with regard to PC-as-a-religion Europe vs. Islam. The stronger and more dedicated idea will win over the feel good and guilt-complex one. However, in an age where PC-ness in America has morphed into the modern woke/CRT agenda with religion-like adherence, perhaps I underestimated the strength of a more humanistic religion substitute.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:04 pm to LSUdubai
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I bet you’re loads of fun at parties
You don’t even know how to use this phrase properly because your original comment wasn’t even a joke
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:05 pm to Lg
Have you heard of fundamentalist Mormons? Or other sects of Christianity that do the same? It is not related to “the religion of peace” as many would like to claim. It’s a religion problem in general...and it’s extreme.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
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even Christian morality has evolved over the last 100 years
or, to make squid hunt happy, Christian application has evolved over the last 100 years
You may be over generalizing here to make your point, but I understand what you are trying to say.
Again, I’ll point out that the Lord God does not change. Man and Society does.
Therefore, if morality has shifted, even within the church then it begs the question of whether or not they are being led by society or led by God.
I would argue that the vast majority of churches are led by God. Those that are not led by God will be the ones that die out. Why? Because Jesus commanded His disciples to feed His people. Scripture and following His commands is how that happens, not following society.
This post was edited on 3/30/21 at 2:06 pm
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:05 pm to Salmon
Fair enough
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:06 pm to LSUdubai
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Main point is, who gives a shite how many people report they go to church? It’s a useless stat in a very different world than 100 years ago when that was a VERY important thing.
You live in a region that is still dominated in part by ongoing religious-based conflicts and you're not sure why we should care about religious adherence anymore?
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:11 pm to Pettifogger
If you want to compare a region where religion is part of state law (not separated) and American society (where it’s separated) then I’m not sure why we are talking. I’m saying American society SHOULD be able to keep itself clear from how much influence religion has on societal development. Can you follow that train of thought? Just because I live somewhere doesn’t mean I agree totally with how everything is run, but it is very nice to not deal with people that want to bitch...if you don’t like it, leave.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:12 pm to Salmon
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to make squid hunt happy
You can't make me happy. I'm immune.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:21 pm to amsterdam
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Again, I’ll point out that the Lord God does not change. Man and Society does.
Therefore, if morality has shifted, even within the church then it begs the question of whether or not they are being led by society or led by God.
I would argue that the vast majority of churches are led by God. Those that are not led by God will be the ones that die out. Why? Because Jesus commanded His disciples to feed His people. Scripture and following His commands is how that happens, not following society.
I understand y'alls perspective, but it isn't reality.
There are very clear shifts in applicability, or morality as a whole, however you want to argue it, even within the Christian church throughout the years
God's law doesn't change, but man's interpretation of those laws has absolutely changed throughout the years and I don't really think there is much of a debate here. And those interpretations are generally based on societal laws.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:25 pm to LSUdubai
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If you want to compare a region where religion is part of state law (not separated) and American society (where it’s separated) then I’m not sure why we are talking. I’m saying American society SHOULD be able to keep itself clear from how much influence religion has on societal development. Can you follow that train of thought? Just because I live somewhere doesn’t mean I agree totally with how everything is run, but it is very nice to not deal with people that want to bitch...if you don’t like it, leave.
Yeah, again, the point is there are entire regions of the world where how dedicated a populace is to a given faith have massive socioeconomic/foreign relation/etc. impacts. Moreover, the decline of such adherence is a similarly important data point. Religion has had huge impacts on societal development for at least thousands of years, so the idea that the absence of religion isn't going to likewise impact how societies develop is pretty shortsighted IMO.
It's not like secularism is historically the status quo for social and cultural development and religion is some foreign, impacting force. If anything it's the opposite. In other words, from a historical/anthropological perspective, secularism is not neutral.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:26 pm to Salmon
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And those interpretations are generally based on societal laws.
But what you are describing is really only one morality: right of might. If it's unenforceable, anything is permissible. That's amoral.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:45 pm to LSUdubai
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It’s a religion problem in general...and it’s extreme.
Pure religion and undefiled before God the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
If we could only do this.
Posted on 3/30/21 at 2:48 pm to EmperorGout
Thanks internet
Posted on 3/30/21 at 3:11 pm to Salmon
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There are very clear shifts in applicability, or morality as a whole, however you want to argue it, even within the Christian church throughout the years
There were a very large number of Southern Baptists that used the Bible to justify and defend segregation in the South in the 40's, 50's, and 60's.
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