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re: If Texas's central grid only relied on solar & wind energy, would anyone have electricity?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:24 am to Napoleon
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:24 am to Napoleon
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But IT IS reason to abandon wind energy
Sure why not?
Wind energy is completely unreliable and clearly we could use some of that global warming.
Stop incentivizing it and see what happens.
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Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:25 am to elprez00
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Honestly one of the more minor issues.
To operating a plant....yes. It's minor.
But you know how the media will react when one of these plants eventually gets a direct hit from a powerful tornado or quake and there's "concern" that the storage cylinders they use could leak. There would be a huge push to shut down those facilities.
Then again, it's not like we are rushing to bring new commercial reactors online in the US anyways.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:25 am to The Spleen
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Except there was an ice storm in 2011 that knocked over 100 power supply locations off line, leading to many power outages. They implemented rolling blackouts that affected over 3 million customers. It wasn't as bad or as widespread as this storm is, but 2 storms in 10 years in more than a once in a generation event.
And the state as a whole didn't improve things then.
Ice storms will knock out power temporarily anywhere. Natural events lead to temporary power outages across the country every year. That’s not limited to Texas. And that event didn’t cause statewide issues.
We hear of temporary power outages due to weather across the country every year.
There definitely needs to be some safeguards put in place to prevent the statewide issues we had this time but you can hardly compare previous events to this.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:25 am to Napoleon
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But IT IS reason to abandon wind energy?
No one is saying that.
But this chart definitely pokes some gaping holes in the "this has nothing to do with renewable energy" bullshite that the White House is saying.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:26 am to The_Duke
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Renewables falling off was accounted for and planned for with the upcoming rolling blackouts. The rolling scheduled blackouts never happened due to NG plants freezing leaving 4.5 million houses without power for 3 days.
Renewables had nothing to do with what happened here in Texas.
Once again. Group project. One person does zero work. The other does all the work. Grade F. And the person who gets the blame is the person who did all the work. That make sense to you?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:27 am to LSU316
Yes that’s ok and a much better alternative than having infants and elderly live in the most extreme weather they’ve ever experienced for 60+hours with no heat or water.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:27 am to The_Duke
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What happened here in Texas had nothing to do with renewables
I'm not sure how you can see that chart and actually think this.
It's simply untrue. Other sources of energy didn't drop off a cliff like wind did, which lost nearly 100% of it's output. Solar also lost 100% but it never really accounted for anything reliably anyways.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:29 am to Adam Banks
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Once again. Group project. One person does zero work. The other does all the work. Grade F. And the person who gets the blame is the person who did all the work. That make sense to you?
That's basically it.
Natural Gas showed up to the presentation hung over but still facilitating the whole thing. Coal and Nuclear were a little buzzed but still contributing. Wind and Solar didn't even make it to class that day, although no one expects anything from solar so it didn't really matter.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:30 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:29 am to Adam Banks
I’m blaming the entire system for being unprepared. You’re the only one trying to make this a renewables be NG. They both shite the bed. Not sure what your point is. Sure in your unrealistic hypothetical world if we relied only on renewables we’d be worse—maybe—-be UCSD’s I’m not sure how much worse we could be. Like I said the entire city already shut down for 3 days. What would have been the difference?
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:29 am to The_Duke
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Renewables falling off was accounted for and planned for with the upcoming rolling blackouts. The rolling scheduled blackouts never happened due to NG plants freezing leaving 4.5 million houses without power for 3 days.
So one sectors total failure isn’t a problem but another sectors 25% failure is?
If wind had not completely collapsed, the NG’s 25% failure would not have been an issue.
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Renewables had nothing to do with what happened here in Texas.
Completely myopic view point.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:29 am to The_Duke
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Yes that’s ok and a much better alternative than having infants and elderly live in the most extreme weather they’ve ever experienced for 60+hours with no heat or water.
The real alternative is to not sink money into an unreliable technology that is literally so unreliable that you thinks it’s ok to ignore it during a disaster and instead allocate that money to technology that has proven itself over years and years as the sole power sources for the grid
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:30 am to dewster
Again. Windmills operate in extreme cold all over the world...
Texas doesn't have the weather to call for winterizing the turbines. But there are windmills are in places much colder than last weeks lows and operating just fine. They make a good scapegoat for the other guys and that's it.
Did that drop contribute to power loss? Yes. Was it the main cause? No.
Texas doesn't have the weather to call for winterizing the turbines. But there are windmills are in places much colder than last weeks lows and operating just fine. They make a good scapegoat for the other guys and that's it.
Did that drop contribute to power loss? Yes. Was it the main cause? No.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:32 am to The_Duke
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You’re the only one trying to make this a renewables be NG. They both shite the bed
Not sure why you are trying to downplay what’s happening here. The bulk of the state’s energy still comes from NG. It lost about 30% output. Wind lost nearly 100%.
The winterization efforts need to be focused on both, but it’s clear that your “renewables didn’t have anything to do with this” stance is complete bullshite.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:33 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:32 am to bigberg2000
quote:Make it a partisan issue and the public will spend their time squabbling with each other instead of pointing the finger at the incompetent jackasses that actually dropped the ball. That's the playbook for fricking everything in America. The most impressive part of the grift is that it's so obvious yet people have been falling for it since the first time they elected Thag to run a woolly mammoth hunt.
Can we stop making this about “green” energy and gas. The shite stopped working correctly. People need to blame shite and they always point to what they consider the bad guy.
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's your neighbor who deserves your vitriol.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:34 am to Napoleon
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Was it the main cause? No.
I don’t think anyone is making this argument other than the occasional uninformed poster.
Are you capable of contributing without a straw man fallacy?
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:35 am to The_Duke
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They both shite the bed.
How did NG shite the bed? It increased output by over 100% from 2/8 through today.
ETA And as I stated earlier without NG you would have been a lot longer than 3 days without power...NG is what kept some people up and what is bringing people online today as we speak.
This post was edited on 2/18/21 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:36 am to member12
Dood, the glowy box in my living room told me that renewables will handle the future and I have to trust the experts. We are going to need a bigger Green New Deal.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:37 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Dood, the glowy box in my living room told me that renewables will handle the future and I have to trust the experts. We are going to need a bigger Green New Deal.
As usual, they appear to be wrong. You’d be even more screwed had Texas relied more on wind energy.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:40 am to Napoleon
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But IT IS reason to abandon wind energy?
Absolutely not. I’ve never advocated for abandoning our wind or solar energy production. They just aren’t sufficient to be the sole or primary source of our production as the thread title asked.
Posted on 2/18/21 at 9:40 am to member12
And what is solid and consistent throughout this chart, Nuclear. This is the only solution.
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