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re: TEXIT Referendum Bill Is Now Official
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:11 pm to cokebottleag
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:11 pm to cokebottleag
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It's a revolution if you win. Its treason if you lose. That's been that way forever.
Coming up with silly things like 'is this legal' before hand is silly and naive.
I’ve been told this is a peaceful and non-violent secession. I’m just curious how that is done in a legal and non-violent manner.
So we’ve admitted states into the Union- is there a mechanism to allow for the withdrawal of states?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:15 pm to Indefatigable
If Texas did secede, do you really think anyone other than NY, Vermont, Connecticut would go against them? The US wouldn't do shite, because noone would rise up against them. In fact, a shite load of other states would join them. Democrats think the military would fight Texas? Never happen. People have had enough of the politicians in DC.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:15 pm to The Maj
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What if you are currently a resident of another State but own property in Texas?
You can have a visitor's visa. No voting rights, un-skilled laborer (my gardener Jose needs an extra lacky), and after a 10 year period you can apply for citizenship.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:16 pm to boosiebadazz
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is there a mechanism to allow for the withdrawal of states?
I feel like you know this answer already.
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I’ve been told this is a peaceful and non-violent secession.
Under no circumstances will the secession of any state be non-violent or peaceful. Either the United States or a population within the state itself will ensure that. This is inherent with any secession movement......well, ever.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:17 pm to Mid Iowa Tiger
quote:Are you saying a visa worker can only do unskilled labkr?
un-skilled laborer
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:17 pm to Roger Klarvin
$30 trillion in debt inside a few months. Tell me what conditions are going to be in a decade, or five years for that matter. This country is over one way or the other soon enough. One thing we have here that is an advantage is that we have these semi-autonomous political and geographical regions that are theoretically sovereign and possessing of all the necessary infrastructure for an independent state (in the true meaning of the word).
If you want argue that conditions at the present are not conducive to these states becoming truly independent and that they may get more from being in the federal system than outside of it, I’ll concede the point. But I’ll also argue that the present conditions have nothing to do with the future that is increasingly likely with every federal dollar spent or unreasonable executive fiat foisted upon the citizenry.
If you want argue that conditions at the present are not conducive to these states becoming truly independent and that they may get more from being in the federal system than outside of it, I’ll concede the point. But I’ll also argue that the present conditions have nothing to do with the future that is increasingly likely with every federal dollar spent or unreasonable executive fiat foisted upon the citizenry.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:21 pm to boosiebadazz
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What’s the legal mechanism for a state to withdraw from the Union?
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There is no prohibition in the United States Constitution that forbids any state from exiting the union. The Constitution of the United States actually defines the specific acts States are forbidden from committing in Article 1, Section 10. Nowhere in the remainder of the Constitution is the issue of a State leaving the Union explicitly forbidden, nor is power ceded to the federal government to prohibit one from doing so. In this silence, the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution rings loudly.
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“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”
— Constitution of the United States, Tenth Amendment
This deafening constitutional silence, coupled with the definitive reservation of power by the States, leaves the decision to the people of a State and to those people alone. For this, we have to look to the Texas Constitution. Article 1, Section 1 not only expressly reserves all sovereignty not granted through the United States Constitution, but it also sets the conditions upon which Texas will remain in the union.
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Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
— Texas Constitution, Article 1 Section 1
In the very next section of our governing document, the power to determine how Texans govern themselves is clearly declared to reside in the people of Texas alone.
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All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
— Texas Constitution, Article 1 Section 2
TEXIT Answers | Can Texas Leave The Union?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:21 pm to EKG
This is not going to succeed.
One, Most Texans are loyal to the United States.
Two, this is usually just rural folks throwing a fit. This means that the areas most concentrated on supporting this Texit do not possess that economic support to give this teeth. Ya gotta bring Austin, Houston, and Dallas into this if you want to have some real bite.
One, Most Texans are loyal to the United States.
Two, this is usually just rural folks throwing a fit. This means that the areas most concentrated on supporting this Texit do not possess that economic support to give this teeth. Ya gotta bring Austin, Houston, and Dallas into this if you want to have some real bite.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:23 pm to EKG
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What’s the legal mechanism for a state to withdraw from the Union?
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One cannot reasonably assume that the policy of the federal government from the mid-19th century would be the policy of the federal government two decades into the 21st. There is no current federal policy regarding a State leaving the Union. However, there is current federal policy regarding states and territories leaving currently established political and economic institutions. Those policies involve neutrality or the use of military action in support of self-determination.
Imagine the scenario. Fifteen million Texans have gone to the polls and voted in a free, fair, and open referendum, conducted under the laws of the State of Texas, and have chosen, by a majority vote, to leave the Union and assert Texas’ status as a free and independent self-governing nation-state. Historically, around the world, voter turnout for independence referenda is 85 to 90 percent. Taking the low end, that would mean that 12.75 million Texans would cast their vote in the referendum. Figuring the lowest possible threshold for an independence victory, approximately 6.4 million Texans would vote in favor of independence.
If the federal government opts for a military solution, how would it handle the 6.4 million Texans who voted in favor of independence? Prison? Extermination? What would the justification be for any actions taken against Texans whose sole crime was voting for self-determination in a fair, free, and open referendum? When exactly would this military intervention occur? Would they do it before a vote on Texit to prevent the people having their say? Would they wait until after the results of the vote were tallied and the results announced in favor of independence? Or would they wait until after Texas began the process of extracting itself from the federal system and began asserting its role as a nation among nations?
Under close scrutiny, it becomes apparent that the federal government will not move to stop TEXIT once it’s been decided by the people of Texas and they most certainly won’t use the military. It’s just too impractical.
First, there would be little to no public support for military action against Texans who voted to leave the Union. A 2011 IBOPE Zogby poll found that 43 percent of respondents believed that States had justification for leaving the Union. For those who consider themselves conservatives, that number jumps to 65 percent. Military action against Texas, in the absence of some morally reprehensible act, would require a strong consensus from the remaining States and the people in those States. The strong liberal States would likely fall on the side of letting Texas go. The strong conservative States would be split on the issue but would largely be supportive of the basic principle of self-government. With numbers like these, a consensus seems implausible.
The use of military force would bring a swift condemnation from the international community and would damage international relations for years to come. Some countries would likely impose economic sanctions on the United States until the civilian government of Texas was restored and the results of the independence vote respected. It would also cause a tectonic shift in international policy related to the support of democratic institutions, essentially delegitimizing any efforts made by the United States past, present, and future.
You would have to believe that troops would obey an order to fire on millions of Texas civilians and their leaders whose only crime was invoking their right of self-government. With approximately 170,000 Texans serving in the United States armed forces, it would be difficult to get compliance. The ultimate irony is that any Texan in the United States military who took up arms against the lawfully elected government of Texas or its citizens would be guilty of treason under Article 1 Section 22 of the Texas Constitution.
A 2009 poll from the aforementioned Zogby showed a large number of military personnel and their families believed that States had an absolute right to leave the Union. As published in Forbes, “42% of members of the armed forces and 41% of people who have a family member active in the armed forces agree secession is a right…” The fact that 42 percent view it as a right carries weight. It means they view it as a fundamental freedom, like the freedom of speech or the freedom of religion. Just as it is unlikely that the military would act against those rights when exercised by the civilian population, it is equally unlikely that they would act against TEXIT.
The most likely scenario, if an order of this nature was given, would be outright disobedience from the highest levels of the military all the way down to the enlisted ranks by at least 42 percent of the military, if not all. If some component of the military followed through on the order, it would likely trigger a domino effect where other States, outraged by the disregard for the political will of the people of Texas, would skip to the end of the process and unilaterally declare independence. Texas might be the first to leave but, if the federal government used the military to suppress the result, it certainly would not be the last.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:23 pm to Bow08tie
Oklahoma, Arkansas and Lousiana could be the next states to join the movement.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
If DC wants statehood and Texas wants out, think of all the money saved on flags. Seems like a no brainer to me
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:24 pm to SmileyVamp
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This means that the areas most concentrated on supporting this Texit do not possess that economic support to give this teeth.
Texas has approximately 1/3 of the petroleum deposits in the US. Wonder where the majority of this is with Texas ....
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:26 pm to SmileyVamp
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This is not going to succeed.
This is not a secession bill.
It's a referendum asking to put to a vote of all Texans whether or not we have the right to decide our future.
We do.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:27 pm to Roger Klarvin
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What would Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi do without federal financial aid programs? They’d collapse into chaos overnight
MS would do just fine without the freeloaders in the delta
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:29 pm to bayoudude
Same in the Mississippi delta region in Arkansas.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:30 pm to dchog
Without the freeloaders, the delta could g ahead and empty out like it would have already if the government was t paying people to stay in a place where there were no jobs.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:31 pm to EKG
First law - voter id
2nd- proof of texas residency for 5 years to be able to vote
2nd- proof of texas residency for 5 years to be able to vote
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:31 pm to jimbeam
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Texas has approximately 1/3 of the petroleum deposits in the US. Wonder where the majority of this is with Texas ....
And? These petroleum industries want where the money is. It's not good business to encourage instability just because some crybaby rednecks are mad that the nation and the world do not orbit around them. The cities and the US as a whole are where the business is at, not declining rural Texas.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:34 pm to SmileyVamp
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crybaby rednecks are mad that the nation and the world do not orbit around them.
Have an opinion--all people do.
But why be an arse about it?
This movement has been in the works for over a decade.
It's not about "the world;" it's about a federal government that no longer has the people of the State of Texas in its best interests.
That being the case, it's time we peacefully departed ways.
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