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re: TEXIT Referendum Bill Is Now Official
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:46 pm to EKG
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:46 pm to EKG
In all seriousness, the Texas Legislature SHOULD pass this bill, and the question SHOULD be submitted to the citizenry, but ....
1) I don't think the Ledge has the cojones to pass the bill and send it to the citizens for a vote; and
2) I don't think the referendum would pass in a general election anyway, despite
3) EKG and I both voting for it.
1) I don't think the Ledge has the cojones to pass the bill and send it to the citizens for a vote; and
2) I don't think the referendum would pass in a general election anyway, despite
3) EKG and I both voting for it.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:50 pm
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:46 pm to EKG
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Your representatives either believe that you are smart and responsible enough to make this decision
But see, they aren’t. The overwhelming majority of Texans are entirely unqualified to grasp the long term financial, logistical and political implications of secession. Most yes votes will be based on the following logic: “The democrats have control of the media and our political institutions, so frick them let’s leave and do it ourselves”. That’s the depth of the average Texit supporter on this topic.
Now the same is true for most politicians, but allowing the general populace to vote on something like this which is doomed to failure and widely nuanced/complex is woefully irresponsible even if it is merely a referendum.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:48 pm to Roger Klarvin
Why is it doomed? Texas is perhaps the only state capable of doing this kind of thing first. Someone has to lead.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:49 pm to td01241
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Why is it doomed?
Because the average voter is a colossal dumbass with no concept of the long term and far reaching implications of secession.....or of anything at all, but specifically no concept of secession in this particular instance.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:50 pm to td01241
Events will shape this matter and lots of those haven’t occurred yet. Susan Rice announced this morning that there are gun control EOs coming this week. I say great. The more and the more extreme the better. That is the sort of thing that will really be a boost to TEXIT and other liberty movements.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:51 pm to Indefatigable
Well it appears they have until November to educate them and argue either for or against it do they not? We need to return responsibility to citizens and hold them accountable for their votes and actions.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:52 pm to EKG
Where can I get a TEXIT t-shirt?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:53 pm to td01241
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Well it appears they have until November to educate them and argue either for or against it do they not? We need to return responsibility to citizens and hold them accountable for their votes and actions.
Yea, you are way overstating the ability and willingness of the average American to read and educate themselves on a given issue. There is a reason that no nation on earth uses direct democracy in any meaningful capacity. The average person is a fricking idiot and far too susceptible to misguided societal trends
The entire system of government used in this country is based in part on the premise that democracy is incredibly flawed and that the general population is not capable of handling complex issues of governance via referendum.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:53 pm to td01241
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Why is it doomed?
Even a superficial exercise in carrying the most basic issues surrounding this topic to their logical conclusion reveals the absurdity of the idea. Hell, you could spend a near endless amount of time discussing many singular issues alone. Take Fort Hood, for instance. There’s a hundred different rabbit holes you can go down with that, and each would need to be individually resolved.
And that’s assuming the United States even agrees on ANY level to go along with this, which they have no reason to given the extensive legal precedent they have to refuse. And if the federal government even thinks about starting to throw up any roadblocks the whole thing immediately falls apart, because the state holds NO cards in this scenario.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:53 pm to JJJimmyJimJames
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PROVABLE with statistical means
I'm a statistician by profession.
If you're wanting to talk stats, it's best you use the word supportable, not provable.
You have your opinion, mine is different.
It's unfortunate that some gentlemen think as you do, but that's your business.
I'll just agree to disagree.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:55 pm to EKG
Texas and the rest of the Gulf coast states. Maybe AR and OK.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:57 pm to td01241
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Well it appears they have until November to educate them and argue either for or against it do they not? We need to return responsibility to citizens and hold them accountable for their votes and actions.
40% of our population believes evolution is a lie and that the earth is only 6k to a few million years old. 25% believe vaccines can cause autism. 80% believe you can catch a cold by standing outside in the cold weather too long.
You’ll have to forgive me for having very little faith in the ability to educated our population on the issue of secession, AND have them make an objectively smart decision instead of a dogmatic one.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 12:59 pm to EKG
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Such an expression of political will must be respected. It demands action.
What’s the legal mechanism for a state to withdraw from the Union?
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:00 pm to BZ504
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Texas and the rest of the Gulf coast states. Maybe AR and OK.
What would Oklahoma, Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi do without federal financial aid programs? They’d collapse into chaos overnight.
I mean all the states involved would, but those states in particular.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:05 pm to Roger Klarvin
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unqualified to grasp the long term financial, logistical and political implications of secession.
Long term I think Texas would be the best candidate for a secession seeing as they have the largest ever shell oil deposit. That alone would carry them for many years. Hell it was going to carry the whole US, but who knows what's going to happen with that deposit now. Sure they would have some kinks to work through politically and logistically, but financially there is probably no better state beside Commiefornia
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:07 pm to AggieHank86
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I will never understand why Oklahomans, Arkansans and Louisianans think we would WANT them.
Louisiana: Refinery infrastructure, agricultural export, and control of one of two entrances to the largest interior waterway system in the world.
Arkansas: A defensible highlands region forming an anchor point for defensive and if necessary, guerilla area denial operations.
Oklahoma: One of the largest nexuses of energy piplines in the world, complete with established petroleum storage facilities. Eastern 3rd extends defensible highlands across, and western 2/3rds forms territory to establish strongpoints such as near Fort Sill (mountains). Additionally, agricultural exports including one of the top wheat producers in north america.
We'd also want New Mexico as well, on account of we have no defensible terrain between the Rio Grande and I-35.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:09 pm to boosiebadazz
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What’s the legal mechanism for a state to withdraw from the Union?
Pass a law stating they don't recognize the authority of the SCOTUS on account of it is no longer their nation.
It's a revolution if you win. Its treason if you lose. That's been that way forever.
Coming up with silly things like 'is this legal' before hand is silly and naive.
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:10 pm to cokebottleag
Hey friend :)
Posted on 1/26/21 at 1:11 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Even a superficial exercise in carrying the most basic issues surrounding this topic to their logical conclusion reveals the absurdity of the idea. Hell, you could spend a near endless amount of time discussing many singular issues alone. Take Fort Hood, for instance. There’s a hundred different rabbit holes you can go down with that, and each would need to be individually resolved.
And that’s assuming the United States even agrees on ANY level to go along with this, which they have no reason to given the extensive legal precedent they have to refuse. And if the federal government even thinks about starting to throw up any roadblocks the whole thing immediately falls apart, because the state holds NO cards in this scenario.
For every single successful independence movement, there are people beforehand like yourself who demand that it can't be done.
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