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re: 6.8 Western, is it worth it?
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:16 pm to SportTiger1
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:16 pm to SportTiger1
And to think .264 win mag came out in the 50's.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:24 pm to Jack Ruby
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If most established calibers like 270, 30-06, 25-06, etc., had mass produced high twist barrels like all the new metric fad calibers do, they'd be "wonder" bullets as well.
A .257 weatherby would certainly make the 6.5 turn tail... Imvho
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:25 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I was THIS close to buying a 264wm instead of my 270wsm. But a) Tikka didn't chamber one and b) ammo is hard as hell to find even in normal times.
Better than the 257WBY imho
Better than the 257WBY imho
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:27 pm to X123F45
The OG 6.5 loaded 156gr bullets and was shot out of 1:8ish barrels.
This recepie is literally as old as centerfire smokeless cartridges
This recepie is literally as old as centerfire smokeless cartridges
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:32 pm to SportTiger1
And the 6.5 has no business being mentioned with either.
New powders put the .257 at over 3700 fps.
That is a gaunlet the 6.5 wants zero part of.
New powders put the .257 at over 3700 fps.
That is a gaunlet the 6.5 wants zero part of.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:39 pm to 257WBY
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I believe it has a different barrel twist that allows for shooting heavier bullets accurately.
You're the second poster I've seen say "such and such caliber has this barrell twist"
You do all realize that the cartridge does not determine the barrel twist rate and you can use multiple twists depending on what you're looking to do correct?
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:43 pm to Strannix
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You do all realize that the cartridge does not determine the barrel twist rate
Yeaa we all know but none of us are interested in aftermarket barrel options. Off the shelf rifles generally come with a certain twist for a given caliber
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:47 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Off the shelf rifles generally come with a certain twist for a given caliber
Depends on the manufacturer, yes I'm aware, but I had a poster in the 6.5Crapmoor thread tell the Creedmores advantage over the 260 was the CM'S
1-8 twist......derp
Posted on 1/19/21 at 7:49 pm to Strannix
Well, it is. Nobody made .260 rem rifles with 1:8 barrels from the factory. Remington totally fricked that all up.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:05 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Nobody made .260 rem rifles with 1:8 barrels from the factory.
You're wrong, Savage did I own one. Nothing brings out the ignorant like talking about guns.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:07 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Most off the rack rifles in traditional calibers are all still made in 1:10, or, if you're lucky, 1:9 twist barrels.
Nobody wants to go buy a $600-$1000 rifle then pay an extra $300+ for a custom barrel. Then, if you're not very mechanically inclined or you lack the workshop space or the confidence, pay an extra $100+ to a gunsmith to retrofit it to your brand new gun.
99% of all hunters just want the rifle and a scope that day, then go to the range the next day and sight it in before the season starts. They're not even going to know or look at the twist rate on the barrel.
It's completely on the manufacturers for still selling slow twist barrels in mass quantities. They could all go to 1:7 or 1:8 tommorrow and most hunters would never even know it. But that would make them have to retool and redesign all of their old standby barrels and they probably don't want to incur the cost of doing so.
Nobody wants to go buy a $600-$1000 rifle then pay an extra $300+ for a custom barrel. Then, if you're not very mechanically inclined or you lack the workshop space or the confidence, pay an extra $100+ to a gunsmith to retrofit it to your brand new gun.
99% of all hunters just want the rifle and a scope that day, then go to the range the next day and sight it in before the season starts. They're not even going to know or look at the twist rate on the barrel.
It's completely on the manufacturers for still selling slow twist barrels in mass quantities. They could all go to 1:7 or 1:8 tommorrow and most hunters would never even know it. But that would make them have to retool and redesign all of their old standby barrels and they probably don't want to incur the cost of doing so.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:08 pm to Strannix
That’s why these threads are always so silly.
95% of people must think game animals actually read the headstamp on the case before deciding how to react.
95% of people must think game animals actually read the headstamp on the case before deciding how to react.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:19 pm to Strannix
But the idea of the 6.8 western is to have a twist rate to stabilize longer, heavier bullets.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:20 pm to 257WBY
So what magazine length will this magic bean come with?
Or length of pull or trigger weight?
I mean if I can’t get it in 13.75” LOP, it’s garbage.
Or length of pull or trigger weight?
I mean if I can’t get it in 13.75” LOP, it’s garbage.
This post was edited on 1/19/21 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:21 pm to Jack Ruby
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99% of all hunters just want the rifle and a scope that day, then go to the range the next day and sight it in before the season starts. They're not even going to know or look at the twist rate on the barrel.
This is true. But all of that 99% will never actually see the benefits of these new cartridges. Gun makers put these new cartridges out there like shiny fishing lures. I'm not saying these new cartridges don't perform different (better?). Just saying that 99% of hunters shoot 99% of their animals at ranges where these new cartridges won't make a difference.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:32 pm to 257WBY
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But the idea of the 6.8 western is to have a twist rate to stabilize longer, heavier bullets.
Which you can do with nearly every caliber IF you want to shoot very long range heavy bullets, as an avid 22-250 shooter if i want to shoot 4000FPS laser beams at 400 yards i want a 1 in 14 for 52G HPBT which would spin apart or nose up at those speeds.
How many of you are shooting 500+ yards where the very high BC bullets shine? I doubt not many.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:43 pm to Strannix
Come on man,I’ve had lots of people tell me they killed deer at 500 yards.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:44 pm to Strannix
quote:I’ve seen several say that shooting that far is unethical. The OB deer whacking conundrum.
How many of you are shooting 500+ yards where the very high BC bullets shine? I doubt not many.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:47 pm to LSUA 75
For the love of God please everyone just buy a .308 and a 30-06 and be done with it....Like me.
Posted on 1/19/21 at 8:55 pm to PT24-7
Especially if they had the 130 grain on there instead of the 150.
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