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re: Hundley decommit....
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:39 am to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:39 am to 2DayWuzAGoodDay2
That's just human nature. Good for me=fine. Bad for me=frick them. Basic psychology.
Personally, players currently on the team for multiple years "opting out"/quitting is different than dropping a commitment of a hs kid. There is time, money and effort put into players on the team for multiple years. The cost of a single recruit that is dropped is miniscule in the big picture. The more apt comparison is kids decommiting as recruits. Kids decommiting willingly is much, much more common and has a much longer history than schools dropping them for better players. But its apparently not ok to hold kids responsible for anything they do. Only the schools and coaches can be bad guys.
Anyone that believes the staff is wrong for doing what they feel is best for the program by dropping a commitment should also be against taking Korey Foreman, the McGhee kid, Goodwin or the FSU OL commitment. They "dropped" programs that were counting on them "in their best interest". There is no difference.
Personally, players currently on the team for multiple years "opting out"/quitting is different than dropping a commitment of a hs kid. There is time, money and effort put into players on the team for multiple years. The cost of a single recruit that is dropped is miniscule in the big picture. The more apt comparison is kids decommiting as recruits. Kids decommiting willingly is much, much more common and has a much longer history than schools dropping them for better players. But its apparently not ok to hold kids responsible for anything they do. Only the schools and coaches can be bad guys.
Anyone that believes the staff is wrong for doing what they feel is best for the program by dropping a commitment should also be against taking Korey Foreman, the McGhee kid, Goodwin or the FSU OL commitment. They "dropped" programs that were counting on them "in their best interest". There is no difference.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:47 am to IotaTiger
How do you square the potentially huge finish for this class with the current state of affairs with the program? Is O able to successfully sell these kids on the fact that the program is safe from any severe penalties from the Title IV stuff? Also, do you think he's selling staff changes, particularly on D, that will change the trajectory of the program back to 2018? This all seems counterintuitive but it seems to be happening regardless.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:54 am to Alt26
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It's one thing to get beat by a massive, NFL first round pick. It's another to get manhandled by Arkansas's only 1st string DT, which Shananhan did often in that game.
The guy at Ark is an elite level player. No he isn't Derrick Brown Top 10 type pick, but he's an elite level player this year. He has been dominating everyone he's played against. His PFF Rating is about 80 on the season and he's been very consistent. Him and Zach Carter of UF lead the conference by a LONG shot in interior Dline pressures on the QB this year. Both have about 30 total QB pressures. Next guys down are under 20. Those are some very disruptive players.
Again Shanahan is an average SEC Olineman this year. His PFF grade is right in the mid 60s right now which is average. HE isn't a bad player, he just isn't going to handle the SEC's best interior Dlinemen like even some of the best interior olinemen struggle with as well.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:55 am
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:34 am to The Tiger322
What? Is he going somewhere else?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:36 am to lsufanva
quote:No, it's a two way street. If you are going to call Marshall a quitter for the leaving the team, then you should call LSU a quitter for essentially kicking recruits out of the class. In both instances Marshall and LSU are doing what is best for them, but it's unfair to call one a quitter and not the other one.
But its apparently not ok to hold kids responsible for anything they do. Only the schools and coaches can be bad guys.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:51 am to thunderbird1100
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Again Shanahan is an average SEC Olineman this year. His PFF grade is right in the mid 60s right now which is average. HE isn't a bad player, he just isn't going to handle the SEC's best interior Dlinemen like even some of the best interior olinemen struggle with as well.
I see that as an issue because that's his ceiling. I'd much rather some young blood that can avg that but continue to grow in size and playing time that had a higher ceiling.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:56 am to Magician2
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I see that as an issue because that's his ceiling. I'd much rather some young blood that can avg that but continue to grow in size and playing time that had a higher ceiling.
If we had that he would be playing, we dont have that.
Not every position is going to be a case where we win that specific battle every game. Key is to win as many battles as you can obviously game to game. Shanahan isn't really "losing" more battles than he's winning, it's about even, so its not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. They just see someone struggling recently against the best guys they play and freak out - which I get, but understand it's like that everywhere. Almost every non-elite player runs into someone who will get the better of them in a game at some point. Like I said as good as Cushenberry was, he got owned a few times last year himself to simply better players at times or guys who simply had better games than him.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:57 am
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:03 am to DCtiger1
quote:The guards are the ones who have been getting blown up. Shanahan has been solid, not great, at center.
He’s god awful. Not strong enough to be an SEC C and gets blown up every play. Doesn’t appear to be a leader on the line despite his Ivy League education.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:09 am to ColeLSU
I’d shite a sideways cinder block if it was Dellinger.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:20 am to dstone12
Does this add any credence to the supposed silent commits ed talked about?
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:40 am to Magician2
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because that's his ceiling
It's absurd to just assume this is Shanahan's ceiling. The notion that a 22-23 year old can't show major improvement from one year to the next is crazy.
You could have written the same thing about 2018 being Burrow's ceiling. Guys improve in the NFL every year. Most guys don't even peak until their mid to late 20s.
Shanahan can definitely improve with another year in an SEC strength and conditioning program, with SEC coaching.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/2/20 at 12:08 pm to Bayou_Tiger_225
I get that basic premise but the differences are huge. Marshall has been here 3 years, had tens of thousands of dollars resourced into him, tons of time and effort and over 100 players and coaches livelihoods affected because of his decision. People that count on him in varying ways. Hundley meanwhile is playing hs at IMG on scholarship, still has plenty of options, has had an average persons monthly income at most invested in him, his immediate family only affected and if we're being honest isn't actually a part of the program in any way. He's essentially a candidate for a job with a tentatively accepted offer. Does it suck and are there moral issues involved? Sure but it's an apples to oranges comparison to a player quitting on his team.
Is an NFL team "quitting" on a player when they cut him because they drafted or signed a better or cheaper player? Not in the sense this is being compared to. In fact those things are predicted and expected in a lot of cases.
If I'm being honest, I don't have any real issue with what Marshall did. Did he still quit? He did. There's no disputing it.
Is an NFL team "quitting" on a player when they cut him because they drafted or signed a better or cheaper player? Not in the sense this is being compared to. In fact those things are predicted and expected in a lot of cases.
If I'm being honest, I don't have any real issue with what Marshall did. Did he still quit? He did. There's no disputing it.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 2:23 pm to Lsuhoohoo
Processed, This is why you can't fault the kid when they do the same....
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