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LSU’s last possession.

Posted on 11/22/20 at 10:18 am
Posted by gumbeaux
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 10:18 am
After Arkansas’ missed FG, LSU took over with about 1:20 left and Arkansas had 1 time out. LSU ran a running play, Arkansas called a time out, and then LSU knelt on the ball twice to run out the clock.

Why didn’t LSU kneel on the ball 3 times instead of running a play? What if Davis-Price fumbled to give Arkansas another chance? Just wondering the strategy behind handing the ball off?
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 10:20 am
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:13 am to
The coaches were unable to do the math to figure out they could kneel it 3 times
Posted by easy money
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:14 am to
Poor coaching/awareness. Also, on the 2nd down play, Finley stood there to run off more time, but mathematically that was unnecessary. That should have been the plan on 1st down.

Posted by themunch
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:15 am to
quote:

LSU took over with about 1:20 left and Arkansas had 1 time out. LSU ran a running play, Arkansas called a time out,
Posted by tigahlovah
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:19 am to
Exhibit triple z showing how ed is a glorified pe teacher. YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?
Posted by LSUStar
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:20 am to
Les Miles School of Clock Management.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:24 am to
quote:

but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?




Yes. Do you see all these LSU rookies running around making plays in the NFL on Sundays? That team was absolutely loaded, and Ed deserves credit for assembling it. Like he deserves criticism for this year’s roster.
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:29 am to
What's infuriating is its not just Orgeron. Its a full staff of highly paid coaches and no one steps up to say all we have to do is kneel the ball. And yesterday was particularly bad, because the conditions were wet and sloppy and we run a play with a shotgun snap and a handoff.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 11:29 am
Posted by misey94
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:30 am to
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The coaches were unable to do the math to figure out they could kneel it 3 times


I would bet that was Ensminger’s call. A lot of old school coaches wouldn’t start taking knees until after the opponent takes their last TO. Even running a more modern playbook, he will always be old school.

Not sure why they don’t have someone else on the staff help with situational clock management. It seems Brady had an influence on that last year because it was far better that what we’ve seen in 2020. The last minute of the first half was the worst I’ve seen since Miles was here.
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:37 am to
LSU took over with 1:24 and Arkansas had a TO, coaches did the math and realized we needed to burn off 4 seconds, before we could take knees.
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:48 am to
Yes, because kneeling the ball three times wouldnt use 4 seconds?? Thats next level stupid.
Posted by mikelbr
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:49 am to
quote:

Exhibit triple z showing how ed is a glorified pe teacher. YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?

Hmm. I had to listen to the game on the radio.
Blair, Gordy and Doug all three thought LSU would have to punt the ball away.
Y'all are geniuses from your armchair.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 11:50 am
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:51 am to
I was listening as well. Apparently being able to do simple math is not required to be a football coach or radio analyst for LSU.
Posted by mikelbr
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 11:55 am to
quote:

I was listening as well. Apparently being able to do simple math is not required to be a football coach or radio analyst for LSU.

I was thinking the same thing when Arky missed FG. I thought they got 1 timeout and there's 1:24 left. The 4 seconds mentioned above did throw everything for a loop because you're thinking 124 seconds not 84 seconds.

Everyone gets a pass for it IMO.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 12:08 pm
Posted by LSUgrad88
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 12:01 pm to
Yep. And everyone always gave Les a pass on the constant clock mismanagement until it finally cost us a game. Then those same people lost their shite.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
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Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?


Your post (conveniently?) overlooks one major point that 100% separates CEO's 2019 accomplishments with Burrow & Brady, from the Jimbos, Dabos and Sabans out there.

As most coaches would have done with our existing and inherited QB lineup - jump at the opportunity to bring in Burrow, just like CEO did. At the time and although unproven, Burrow was bigger, stronger, and had more gametime experience than any other QB on LSU`s 2018 roster.

The 2018 season shows the heart of Burrow, his dedication, his leadership qualities, his toughness, and abilty to run the ball and take the hits. The offensive scheme was still not there, but now we had a major piece in place with Joey B.

That was 2018.

The 2019 season:
Brady probably never would've even made the list to be considered to hire, from the Jimbos, Dabos, or Sabans in the coaching world.
My guess is all three of those coaches had never even heard of Joe Brady. It was because of CEO's relationships developed over the years with the Saints, that the opportunity and impact of Joe Brady began to surface.

CEO was OPEN & RECEPTIVE to hire Joe Brady AND meet with Steve Ensminger to allow the pair to somewhat share control of the offense.


quote:

Exhibit triple z showing how ed is a glorified pe teacher. YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?


Your "glorified pe teacher" put the Burrow-Brady combo in place. The results of him doing that gave us not only a Natty, but what most consider the greatest college football team in the history of the sport.

Your irrelevant question was already answered with the results of the 2018 season.

Google it.

LSU 2018 record 10-3 with a ranking of 6.
Thankfully, the most important Joe was in place, that being Burrow.

Brady was hired Jan 28, 2019 after the 2018 season.
Posted by Supermoto Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2010
10464 posts
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?


Your post (conveniently?) overlooks one major point that 100% separates CEO's 2019 accomplishments with Burrow & Brady, from the Jimbos, Dabos and Sabans out there.

As most coaches would have done with our existing and inherited QB lineup - jump at the opportunity to bring in Burrow, just like CEO did. At the time and although unproven, Burrow was bigger, stronger, and had more gametime experience than any other QB on LSU`s 2018 roster.

The 2018 season shows the heart of Burrow, his dedication, his leadership qualities, his toughness, and abilty to run the ball and take the hits. The offensive scheme was still not there, but now we had a major piece in place with Joey B.

That was 2018.

The 2019 season:
Brady probably never would've even made the list to be considered to hire, from the Jimbos, Dabos, or Sabans in the coaching world.
My guess is all three of those coaches had never even heard of Joe Brady. It was because of CEO's relationships developed over the years with the Saints, that the opportunity and impact of Joe Brady began to surface.

CEO was OPEN & RECEPTIVE to hire Joe Brady AND meet with Steve Ensminger to allow the pair to somewhat share control of the offense.


quote:

Exhibit triple z showing how ed is a glorified pe teacher. YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?


Your "glorified pe teacher" put the Burrow-Brady combo in place. The results of him doing that gave us not only a Natty, but what most consider the greatest college football team in the history of the sport.

Your irrelevant question was already answered with the results of the 2018 season.

Google it.

LSU 2018 record 10-3 with a ranking of 6.
Thankfully, the most important Joe was in place, that being Burrow.

Brady was hired Jan 28, 2019 after the 2018 season.
Posted by I20goon
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Member since Aug 2013
18882 posts
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:50 pm to
quote:

Hmm. I had to listen to the game on the radio.
Blair, Gordy and Doug all three thought LSU would have to punt the ball away.
Y'all are geniuses from your armchair.
exactly. That one run play burnt just enough where it eliminated, absolutely eliminated, a punt.

If they kneel on that play Arky can pre-set a time out on a kneel, meaning soon as whistle blows a TO is called; a kneel is only going to burn about 2 sec with a pre-set TO so you'd be wholly reliant on Finley delaying that kneel. On an actual play the refs won't let you pre-set, you have to call it and they have to see it and then blow the whistle. That's a difference of 2-6 seconds in just ref response time.

To boot, the first kneel with a presumably pre-set time out is with the clock stopped until the ball is hiked.

Sure you can delay the kneel and try to burn those 4 seconds... with a freshman QB. The safer call is to put it in TDP's hands, start the clock and let TDP burn the four, get the ref delay and then kneel out without risking a punt.

A freshman QB trying to burn time vs. TDP keeping the defense somewhat honest is for sure the safest way to go.
This post was edited on 11/22/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
36932 posts
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:52 pm to
quote:

Exhibit triple z showing how ed is a glorified pe teacher. YES, he brought in Burrow/Brady, but does anybody think we win more than 8-9 games without either Joe last year?
Unless you think Ensminger called victory formation and Ed overuled him, that is 100% on coach E.
Posted by Bayoubengal205
Member since Nov 2016
1182 posts
Posted on 11/22/20 at 1:58 pm to
In O’s defense, he showed an almost inhuman ability to get the team ready to play.... until they won the championship.
Since then he has completely changed, so it seems.
He hasn’t been focused. All his running around and writing a book and all this stuff shows he took on some kind of celebrity role and it all went to his head.
NOW the players seem to have ZERO fire. ZERO swag. And coach O seems to be the reason why because he’s the same way.
Remember when Bama beat the dog shite out of us? And he looked deranged post game talkin bout “we comin” with foam comin out his mouth?
That’s the O these players love and play for, and unless he can get back to the basics and stay in his lane, he’s gonna be gone within the next 2/3 years.
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