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re: Legitimate Questions for the APP State fans..

Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:54 pm to
Posted by champ24
North Carolina
Member since Feb 2008
64 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 9:54 pm to
What?? Didnt the Big East commiss mention App State as one of the possible teams to join? The article was on espn. But anyway UCONN wasn't even that good of a 1-AA team, hell they were co- Big EAst champs last year, App State would be just fine in the Big East. Honetly do you really think App State wont make the jump to d-1a soon? Ok what if App State wins the NC every year til 2012, thats like 6 or 7 titles man its time to move on and stop being the bully on the block.
Posted by appfan
Member since Jul 2008
477 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 10:10 pm to
Oops...I read your post wrong...Never mind on this message...
Read it as if you were telling someone on here to stop being the "bully on the block"..reread it and saw you were calling App that...oops
This post was edited on 8/12/08 at 10:15 pm
Posted by Tiger Erk
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2003
150 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:29 pm to
Georgia Southern, who over the years has had success on the level of App State (never got three in a row but did win back to back championships 3 times) has been talking about making the move. I think they're crazy. I like the fact that each year we have the ooportunity to compete for a national championship...even if it is a lower level.

We'll see if we're ready in a couple of weeks against Georgia. I'm not expecting it to be pretty.

Posted by Aktig
Alaska/Louisiana
Member since Feb 2008
2190 posts
Posted on 8/12/08 at 11:50 pm to
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I think they could be the next Boise St. It's gotta be easier to recruit to N.C. than it is in Boise...


Wha????

Have you ever been to Boise? I love the hills of NC, don't get me wrong. Boise is much more attractive, however.
Posted by alumni95
Member since Jun 2004
7588 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 1:46 am to
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Any chance you guys are gonna have any room for us in the SEC in the next few years? :)


I admire your spunk kid. Thanks for the laughter therapy... I needed that!
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 1:55 am to
thing is if they jump up to the big east or acc they would get better recruits. Especially in a place like North Carolina where there isn't a dominant football team there.
Posted by GGASU
Member since Feb 2008
239 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 2:38 am to
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Georgia Southern, who over the years has had success on the level of App State (never got three in a row but did win back to back championships 3 times) has been talking about making the move. I think they're crazy. I like the fact that each year we have the ooportunity to compete for a national championship...even if it is a lower level.


you are exactly right!!

These borderline teams that move up to I-A are leaving a pure form of playoff football, for an absolute retarded championship process.

So now if Marshall, Boise St. or Troy goes 12-0 they will not play in a playoff, but will instead play in a post season game...that basically means absolutely nothing.

Hell Auburn a few years ago went undefeated in the best conference in college football, and didn't make the championship game. that is just God awful.


Posted by bigpapamac
Mobile, AL
Member since Oct 2007
22378 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 2:41 am to
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Boise is much more attractive, however


I find this exremely difficult to believe. Not to mention you'd be living in Idaho.
Posted by ASU National Champs
Washington, DC
Member since Jul 2008
107 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 6:14 am to
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I admire your spunk kid. Thanks for the laughter therapy... I needed that!


Yes, that was a joke
Posted by CharlesLSU
Member since Jan 2007
31929 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 7:08 am to
first, get past the non-playoff talk to legitimize your position. playoff or not it's the big time.

second, the Big East nor the ACC will take ASU b/c of many of the reasons previously posted. Moving to a BCS conference is a step way down the road once a program has proven itself as a MONEY maker. Could ASU eventually make it after serious expansions with some proven success on the field? Absolutely, but that is at least 8-10 years down the road.

As for BSU and ASUs campus asthetics, a while back ASU was voted one of the most beautiful campuses in America. Besides ASU is actually less isolated.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10607 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 7:11 am to
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So now if Marshall, Boise St. or Troy goes 12-0 they will not play in a playoff, but will instead play in a post season game...that basically means absolutely nothing.


That ONE bowl game will generate more money for the school than going to the I-AA playoffs and winning the I-AA Nat'l Championship. Why do you think these schools made the jump?

Southern and Grambling CHOOSE not to go to the playoffs so they can play in their Bayou Classic. But I'm sure that's because of tradition, not money.
This post was edited on 8/13/08 at 7:18 am
Posted by jo39416
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2008
16 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 8:41 am to
Ive said it before, and Ill say it again.

Conference USA is the place for us.

Natural rivals include ECU and Marshall.

Plus after a few years, you could throw Memphis in there.

No way in hell does Big East let us in out of FCS/1-AA. UConn was a basketball member previously.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10607 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:05 am to
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Ive said it before, and Ill say it again.

Conference USA is the place for us.


No way in hell does Big East let us in out of FCS/1-AA. UConn was a basketball member previously.


I disagree. I think the Big East NEEDS members. It only has 8 teams and I believe at some point all 6 BCS conferences will have 12 teams and a championship game. One misconception about this that I keep hearing is that there's no room because of basketball. You don't have to be in the conference for basketball. Notre Dame is a football IND, but they're in the Big East in basketball. In baseball Miami was an IND, but was in the Big East in football. We're just talking football here. Being in a football conference does not mean you HAVE to be in the basketball or baseball conference, even though 99% of the time it may be the case.
Posted by asknoquarter21
Asheville
Member since Aug 2008
22 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:06 am to
Appalachian would be stupid to move up and it is NOT happening soon.

why go from contending in a national championship every year to playing in the podunk cottonelle toilet paper bowl at the end of the season.

as far as money making goes we have the highest attendance in the FCS and make the most money.

We still don't have that big of a stadium. We need to do several things before a jump to FCS would happen. The track needs to be taken out and the field level dropped to allow more seats...like BYU and OSU have done in the past.

We also need more hotels and making it more accessible to get into Boone.

We will not jump to a small conference, it makes no sense for us...We are already beating those schools in recruiting because there just isn't much appeal for those low conferences.

Being better in the FCS is MUCH better than being middle of the road in FBS.

if/when we move up it will be only if we have an offer from a prestigious conference...ie ACC/Big East.

But a lot needs to be done before that happens, including the other sports being contenders, which we are on our way.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
Louisiana
Member since Mar 2008
10607 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:29 am to
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why go from contending in a national championship every year to playing in the podunk cottonelle toilet paper bowl at the end of the season.


$$$$$

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as far as money making goes we have the highest attendance in the FCS and make the most money.


And sharing profits in a conference at the I-A level = mo money. Especially if it's a BCS conference.

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We still don't have that big of a stadium. We need to do several things before a jump to FCS would happen. The track needs to be taken out and the field level dropped to allow more seats...like BYU and OSU have done in the past.


Agreed. If you build it, they will come.

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We will not jump to a small conference, it makes no sense for us...We are already beating those schools in recruiting because there just isn't much appeal for those low conferences.


You will do whatever the financial experts tell you to do. If you don't believe that some guys aren't in some war room crunching numbers, trying to do some sort of financial projections to determine if joining a smaller conference (or being independent) for a short time while pay off in the long run because it will allow you to join a BCS conference years from now, then you are crazy. And don't worry, there are marketers involved who are already finding ways to keep the fans happy while everything seems to be in disarray. Playing in CUSA, with a big time OOC conference schedule, winning the conference and going to the Podunk Bowl will generate more money than you think.

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Being better in the FCS is MUCH better than being middle of the road in FBS.


This is nowhere close to being accurate. It may be better for Joe Fan, but it's not where the school wants to be if it doesn't HAVE to.

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if/when we move up it will be only if we have an offer from a prestigious conference...ie ACC/Big East.


I predict you would be an IND (or join a smaller conf) for the first 3-5 years. You have to prove that you can sustain the requirements to remain in I-A.

All of these comments are just my opinion.
Posted by jo39416
Charlotte, NC
Member since Aug 2008
16 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:30 am to
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Appalachian would be stupid to move up and it is NOT happening soon.


Is that you Borkowski?? or should I call you Roach.

Thank god we have forward looking people, such as Charlie Cobb and Ken Peacock and not members of the old gaurd like you running the show.
Posted by appfan
Member since Jul 2008
477 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:41 am to
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Appalachian would be stupid to move up and it is NOT happening soon.


Somehow I think you don't ever want us to move up. If we keep dominating, we need to.

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We also need more hotels and making it more accessible to get into Boone.


You're not going to get more hotels...because there is NOWHERE to put them. We are getting one more as of right now on 105 supposedly but there is no more room. We've already got a bajillion anyway. If you are speaking of the roads (421 and 321), 321 is looking pretty good right now since they are fixing it. They are going to start widening 421 in front of New Market and the rest of that area soon.

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Being better in the FCS is MUCH better than being middle of the road in FBS.


I don't agree with you there. I LOVE being #1, don't get me wrong, but even middle of the road in the FBS is better because you still get more exposure and more money.

Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
36703 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:45 am to
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Appalachian would be stupid to move up and it is NOT happening soon.

why go from contending in a national championship every year to playing in the podunk cottonelle toilet paper bowl at the end of the season.




Appalachian State is the top dog in D-1AA (or whatever the goofy new name is.Way to go NCAA. ) You do get 'March Madness' already. I know Marshall has done reasonably well and to a degree,so has Troy.But,you guys have a good thing going over there.

Don't ask me why,but Ryan Perriloux's new school ,Jacksonville State,is adamant about pursuing D-1 in football. They are lucky to get 4,000 to a home game. They have,gulp, "Troy Envy" ,since they were big rivals back in the day.Now,ASU is 500x more legit as a 'D-1' program as Jax State,but ,still,I think you have a good thing going.
Posted by asknoquarter21
Asheville
Member since Aug 2008
22 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 9:49 am to
I am not at all saying that we shouldn't ever move up.

I think several teams in the southern conference should move up...GSU being one of those.

I just don't think we should move up to the sunbelt.

CUSA maybe

but I still think we are a few years away from those conferences giving us a bid.

There is nowhere to go up if we stay at the FCS level and continue to be the best.

FBS is in the future but I would like to see us wait 2-3 years after we could become eligible anyway. 6 or 7 years total
Posted by appguy
Member since Apr 2008
217 posts
Posted on 8/13/08 at 10:00 am to
Big East could get awkward having 2 mountaineers with similar colors
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