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re: 10 teams have shown interest in Jrue

Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:48 am to
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:48 am to
We would trade Jrue for 2 players with less of an impact than him. Horford also guarantees us a short term player on the decline. #6 makes sense but tell me why we should have 4 random future firsts > 1/2 extra players from those teams?
Posted by eyeran
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:48 am to
We give up the best player in the trade and get back the 6th pick in a bad draft, a terrible contract, and a player as bad on offense as he is good on defense.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:50 am to
Horford's contract is awful but it is only partially guaranteed in year 3.

Those future picks are pretty damn tempting to me and I like Thybulle.
Posted by TigerinATL
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:52 am to
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Just Al horford, thybull, #6 and future picks.


To be fair you seem to have devalued draft picks to a pretty extreme level. You feel we have enough picks already and see no value in getting any more picks than what we currently have which just isn't a proper way to value them.

I agree with you that we don't want to just say "give me all the picks" and not try to win this year. But how much of a Jrue replacement do we need to not miss him?

Outsiders have pumped Gary Harris as an adequate Jrue replacement for the last few years. I think you can say Josh Hart is an adequate Jrue replacement as well. I know some people want him to be a bench player forever, but maybe his role changes from year to year like E'Tuwan Moore's has. The question is, can you properly replace Hart's bench role with Thybull in this case, and can you replace Jrue's creation on offense with a new player or more Ingram/Zion creation?

If the other teams are ok giving up that much stuff for just Jrue, I think you have to consider it IF you think Horford is and will remain a viable starter until he becomes an expiring contract you trade for another high level player.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:54 am to
"For Pels, they absolutely load up on draft capital, both this year and in the future while replacing a good teammate in Jrue with another great teammate in Horford."

MM, Jrue is a good teammate and Horford replaces him as a great teammate? What are you smoking today sir? And the justification is that Thyb can guard the guys Jrue gaurds... Doesn't mean his offense is better and doesn't mean he can even defend guys up to Jrue's standards.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:54 am to
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do we really want 3 more years of him at 27 million?


Only about half of that is guaranteed in the last year.

ETA: I would do it, although it's still concerning that we don't have a solid primary ball handler after that trade. Would need to make another move for that piece.

Jrue is a good player, but I'm not sure how much of that translates to winning.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 11:57 am to
Someone brought up the same argument for people wanting Andrew Wiggins. " what if we get him only to move him in a few years". What if they are trash in 2 years? What if they get hurt? What if no team wants them? I just don't see the attraction trading for guys older than Jrue to replace him. Either keep Jrue or get young assets that we know can be by BI/ Zion for 3-5 years.
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 11:58 am
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:02 pm to
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What if they are trash in 2 years? What if they get hurt? What if no team wants them?
The value of him at that point is his contract, which you can pair with picks to get a return of a player with a >20 mil per year salary. His value in that last year is no longer his on the court contributions.

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Either keep Jrue or get young assets that we know can be by BI/ Zion for 3-5 years.

What are the picks in that trade? They are either young players that could be part of your team, or they are assets that can net you a player that can be a part of your team.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:03 pm to
We already would keep #13 in this situation and add #6.

So everyone is fine with #19, #34 Sixers 2026 1st, Nets 2025 1st > Dinwiddie, Prince, LaVert, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter????

And fine with Horford > Embid, Simmons, or none of the 3.
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:09 pm to
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19, #34 Sixers 2026 1st, Nets 2025 1st > Dinwiddie, Prince, LaVert, Huerter, Reddish, Hunter????



Well we probably can’t get Dinwiddie, but it’s pretty intriguing in terms of future trade asset for a 3rd star which has to be a partial focus going forward.
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:10 pm to
Alright I'm gonna lay this out again because some people missed it a few months ago when we talked about Wiggins being a negative asset.

What is the point of trading Jrue for someone that we are going to trade for less in 2 years???

We have one of the best trade assets available who is a top 5 2 way player in the NBA. Why the frickity frick are we trading him for draft picks and a player that "we can trade in 2 years with picks to get another meh player". Get all the young players and contributors you can get for Jrue.

If you are already talking about how we can unload Horford or Wiggins, or etc in 2 years then it is already a trash trade.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:12 pm to
We are trading for the picks. Horford is to make the numbers work and to get a decent vet in the short term.

That amount of picks is pretty rare for a player of Jrue’s caliber. It’s at least interesting.

Let me try another way. What if I told you some of those picks led to Beal. Feel different?
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:17 pm to
Ok yeah but why are we trading Jrue for someone to " make the numbers work". Its the same damn thing as Dedmon I mean I get it but they don't help us. Why is it worth it in that regard?

The picks are kinda irrelevant. We would have #6 and #13 in this draft. We also have 5 1st the next 4 years and a bunch of 2nds. What does 2 future 1st 6 years from now do for us? And if we already have #6/ #13. What does #19 and #34 do for us > another young player?
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:21 pm to
The mind set yall are taking is just a little strange. You want to trade the best asset we have for picks and a lesser player so that we can then flip those picks and that lesser player for less value than what we traded our best asset for.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:34 pm to
They wouldn't be giving up #2 for Lonzo, they would be moving back 11 spots in the draft for Lonzo. They could then package 13 and the Minny pick with Wiggins and still get another piece that fits with them.

ETA: Right now the player being floated in rumors that MAY be able to get with the 2nd pick is.... Kelly Oubre...

I don't see how anyone can say moving down for Lonzo wouldn't be worth it
This post was edited on 10/30/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted by Fun Bunch
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:35 pm to
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The mind set yall are taking is just a little strange. You want to trade the best asset we have for picks and a lesser player so that we can then flip those picks and that lesser player for less value than what we traded our best asset for.




No one is saying anything resembling that.

Take another look at the shear amount of picks and assets coming our way.
Posted by Epic Cajun
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:38 pm to
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The mind set yall are taking is just a little strange. You want to trade the best asset we have for picks and a lesser player so that we can then flip those picks and that lesser player for less value than what we traded our best asset for.


You have to wait until a player that you want is available for trade. Maybe that player isn't on the market right now. If that's the case, you ship off Jrue and pick up more assets to make a trade next offseason (or the following). If you don't make a Jrue trade and he leaves, you get nothing out of it. This is basically kicking the can down the road until an opportunity presents itself.
Posted by Soggymoss
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:39 pm to
If Jrue would take a 3/75 extension i would keep him. I wouldn't pay anymore than that though.

Going off MM's plan he laid out, at 6 you get your ball handler in Hayes. At 13 you take a high upside D&S with Poku, who would also have future trade value. At 19 take Green who's a defensive monster. You take back Horford, who fits at the 5 and is a great team player/mentor. Thybulle who is bad at offense right now, but great on defense. Plus future picks.

Say next season Devin Booker asks out those 2 extra 1sts with a Thybulle could tilt any trade into your favor and help you to outbid OKC, while still keeping some assets.
Posted by brmark70816
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:41 pm to
I love that proposed trade. That is a ton of assets in return. I have wanted Horford forever. He solves Center for us for the next 2 seasons and is a fantastic mentor to Hayes and Zion. With them on cheaper deals, we should have the money to spare for the front court. Great value. In a vacuum, I think Horford would have more impact than Holiday for us next season. All the extra stuff is just gravy and gives us even more options.

Btw, for those that think that Horford's contract is bad, wait until Holiday gets his next extension (ala Eric Gordon, the real worst contract in the NBA)..
Posted by Dantheman504
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Posted on 10/30/20 at 12:45 pm to
Picks. Not assets. Shear amount of picks. From now-2026 we have 9 1st and 11 2nd round picks. Now we want to trade the best asset we have for 4 more picks?

Someone tell me what we are gonna do with 24-25 picks in the next 6-7 years. Can someone also tell me how we are planning to make a future trade with all these picks while not have the asset of Jrue to acquire " that guy we can't get right now".

If we are waiting to get a certain player and can't do it now by trading Jrue and the bulk of picks we already have then it def isn't happening after we trade Jrue lol.
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