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How were Trump's tax returns obtained? By hacking?

Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:10 am
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76554 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:10 am
Why were those articles by the New York Times not throttled? Are those not private materials that deserve shielding from public view?

@jack @zuckerberg
Posted by TigahTeeth
Georgia
Member since Feb 2016
5193 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:12 am to
That attempt sure disappeared like a fart in the wind. Lol
Posted by Goforit
Member since Apr 2019
4755 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:14 am to
Trump's tax returns were illegally obtained. The Hunter Biden computer became the legal property of the computer store owner after he failed to return and make payment for the recovery work.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9912 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:18 am to
This was what the Times reported:

quote:

All of the information The Times obtained was provided by sources with legal access to it. While most of the tax data has not previously been made public, The Times was able to verify portions of it by comparing it with publicly available information and confidential records previously obtained by The Times.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:19 am to
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All of the information The Times obtained was provided by sources with legal access to it.
Lois Lerner.
Posted by DallasTiger11
Los Angeles
Member since Mar 2004
11819 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:20 am to
Does having legal access also mean you can legally release it?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423667 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:23 am to
quote:

All of the information The Times obtained was provided by sources with legal access to it.

i don't see how a media outlet can obtain copies of tax records without severe legal or ethical issues

certainly more species legal or ethical issues than a hard drive that the repair shop owns
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9912 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:23 am to
Not necessarily. It makes me wonder if the source was someone at Mazar's or within Trump org.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423667 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:23 am to
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Does having legal access also mean you can legally release it?

awaiting a response b/c this applies in both scenarios
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16275 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:24 am to
Either by hacking or by a deranged employee stealing them and then giving them to the NYT. Most likely someone stealing them. Either way, it's a severe felony.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:24 am to
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someone at Mazar's

likely illegal and certainly unethical

quote:

or within Trump org.

almost certainly illegal
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9912 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:25 am to
The difference with the Biden story is the IC warnings that they picked up chatter that GRU would be releasing it as part of a disinfo operation. They recently ran one in the the French elections that included forgeries.
This post was edited on 10/15/20 at 11:27 am
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
134891 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:26 am to
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TigerDoc

Can't wait to see your mental gymnastics on this one

How was this information on HB illegally obtained.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423667 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:27 am to
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forgeries

has the Biden campaign even disputed the authenticity of the documents?

hell, have they even denied that Joe made contact as alleged (just now as an "informal meeting" or something)?
Posted by KosmoCramer
Member since Dec 2007
76554 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:28 am to
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awaiting a response b/c this applies in both scenarios


Without knowing the details obviously, from the surface it would seem those tax returns unless released willingly by the taxes or his agents would be illegally distributed.

If the owner of a laptop provides it to another and doesn't claim the item after services are rendered, I assume there is a clause in any contract signed that the repairer would have ownership of the laptop and could do with it as they will.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9912 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:28 am to
I don't know how the info got on the laptop, but the IC has said that GRU hacked Burisma in January and that they've gotten chatter that they were going to release emails in an October surprise. Go look up the Times story.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
9912 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:29 am to
They denied a meeting. I haven't seen a comment on documents.
Posted by Jbird
In Bidenville with EthanL
Member since Oct 2012
73479 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:29 am to
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I don't know how the info got on the laptop, but the IC has said that GRU hacked Burisma in January and that they've gotten chatter that they were going to release emails in an October surprise. Go look up the Times story.
Then they got a blind shop owner to do the dirty work!
Posted by Plx1776
Member since Oct 2017
16275 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:29 am to
quote:

Does having legal access also mean you can legally release it?


Nope. If that was the case, then everyone with access to government protected information would just sell that access to anyone who tosses a few bucks at them.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
423667 posts
Posted on 10/15/20 at 11:30 am to
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Go look up the Times story.

i mean it's likely their sources are CIA/FBI people who knew about the laptop and are creating a feedback loop similar to Russia-gate

how can you trust any reporting on intel-related stuff by outlets like the NYT and Wapo after they were legitimately exposed in Russia-gate?
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