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re: Discussing Aliens/UFOs on Tucker
Posted on 10/10/20 at 8:18 am to Texas Weazel
Posted on 10/10/20 at 8:18 am to Texas Weazel
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quote: why the other primates apparently quit evolving. quote: but why haven’t monkeys evolved? I'm no expert in any of this, but if I had to guess I'd chalk it up to each genus evolving at different rates and adapting to different environments. At some point in time, I assume our species was forced to abandon their physical attributes and adapt to use our brains in order to survive, while other species didn't need to.
Conversely, if you subscribe to an evolution view, why is homo sapiens the only species to evolve such advanced intellectual, rational, creative and abstract thought capabilities, considering their relatively brief and insignificant existence on earth? On the grand time scale, homo sapiens has existed for only a flash of time, the equivalent of a spark of static electricity
This post was edited on 10/10/20 at 8:19 am
Posted on 10/10/20 at 8:21 am to mrgreenpants
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what makes you think "aliens" had to cover any distance at all?
..what if they were always here. (or at least before us)
Any evidence to support this position ?
And by 'here', what exactly do you mean? Earth ? There's nothing 'local' in this part of the galaxy which we've observed that's remotely suitable for life to exist, and not advanced intelligent life.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:01 am to bizeagle
Let’s assume the universe has a 14.6 billion year shelf life (debatable, but let’s assume it)
Let’s also assume that WE survive for 2 million more years and create advanced bio-tech, advanced interstellar propulsion, inter-dimensional tech etc.
Using this tech, we as a species survive all over the universe for 14.6 billion years.
Then at the end of the 14.6 billion years, we send ourselves back 7 billion years and live in the past for 7.6 billion years until the end - repeating the cycle over and over
This leads to two crazy conclusions
1. The age of humanity is actually infinite and we haven’t realized it yet as a seed planet
2. Every single alien civilization that exists in the universe is actually us - scattered throughout as a result of these loops
Let’s also assume that WE survive for 2 million more years and create advanced bio-tech, advanced interstellar propulsion, inter-dimensional tech etc.
Using this tech, we as a species survive all over the universe for 14.6 billion years.
Then at the end of the 14.6 billion years, we send ourselves back 7 billion years and live in the past for 7.6 billion years until the end - repeating the cycle over and over
This leads to two crazy conclusions
1. The age of humanity is actually infinite and we haven’t realized it yet as a seed planet
2. Every single alien civilization that exists in the universe is actually us - scattered throughout as a result of these loops
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:10 am to bizeagle
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Conversely, if you subscribe to an evolution view, why is homo sapiens the only species to evolve such advanced intellectual, rational, creative and abstract thought capabilities, considering their relatively brief and insignificant existence on earth? On the grand time scale, homo sapiens has existed for only a flash of time, the equivalent of a spark of static electricity
The problem with these types of discussions is the intermixing of or trying to resolve the differences in religious and scientific beliefs. I'm a geologist and I love thinking about how life evolved on earth. And it's a long spectacular history. Religions take a different view and I understand that. Indeed man and reasoning man has been in the mix for a very, very short time. Now if we then project this history to an advanced other planet intelligent life why could they exist at his advanced level for many, many millions of years? So the whole aspect of our knowledge of evolution superimposed on long lived alien civilizations is well, alien to what has happened on earth. There are so many occurrences out there that can destroy life. There have been so many mass extinctions on planet earth.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:14 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I'm a geologist and I love thinking about how life evolved on earth. And it's a long spectacular history. Religions take a different view
SOME faiths WITHIN religion do
Religion, itself, is not opposed to evolution
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:17 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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There have been so many mass extinctions on planet earth.
Interesting point, and raises the legitimate question as to whether there were past evolved societies and mankind much like we have now that were victims of those mass extinctions.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:26 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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Now if we then project this history to an advanced other planet intelligent life why could they exist at his advanced level for many, many millions of years? So the whole aspect of our knowledge of evolution superimposed on long lived alien civilizations is well, alien to what has happened on earth. There are so many occurrences out there that can destroy life. There have been so many mass extinctions on planet earth.
Thought experiment
What if this has indeed played out on Earth?
If we suppose surface cataclysms (solar, bolide, other) that decimated life, what would be the implications? (Considering we can mainly only explore the surface, terrestrial regions)
If you were to survive such surface cataclysm, what provisions could you take
Would you consider living within the planet?
Would you consider living underneath the ocean?
Would you create technology that allows you transmedium travel?
Would you create hybrids to live on the surface and still be able to commute to the surface for resources /needs?
Would you assist surface life when they become a threat to the ecosystem (y’all think “aliens” would be interested in nukes or the environment they are being detonated in???)
This post was edited on 10/10/20 at 9:28 am
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:27 am to theunknownknight
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Religion, itself, is not opposed to evolution
I absolutely understand that. In fact as I studied the science I often had to simply take the science and divorce it from the religion. The earth is old versus the earth is not. Understanding the reason why there are marine fossils high in the mountains versus being there as a result of a biblical flood. If one adheres to the infallibility of biblical creation then there are issues to be resolved. I had an instructor in invertebrate paleontology who was quite religious. She simply did not let the science get in the way of her religious views. Now as far as alien life? I'm sure it is out there and perhaps quite advanced beyond ours. Do I think it has visited here? I'm not so sure.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:37 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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I absolutely understand that. In fact as I studied the science I often had to simply take the science and divorce it from the religion.
These scientists did not need to divorce science from religion and they found that science supports the biblical record.
LINK - Reasons to believe
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:44 am to Revelator
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It’s no more nonsense than believing a man can be raised from the dead after 3 days in the grave, walk on water, cure leprosy or feed 5,000 with only a few small fish and a couple loaves of bread is it?
On the bullshite spectrum, I suppose you have a point. People that are credulous enough to believe one ridiculous thing tend to be credulous enough to believe 10 ridiculous things.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:48 am to momentoftruth87
Harry Reed & Podesta's involvement in this makes me scratch my head.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:52 am to cajunangelle
Makes me dismiss it...
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:55 am to FreddieMac
Wake n bake time.
We’re a simulation. The super smart and advanced aliens, instead of traveling across the universe to find life simply uses simulations to see where life is possible to develop.
That time you walked into the kitchen and immediately forgot what you went in to get? Your command alien simply canceled your action à la sims style
We’re a simulation. The super smart and advanced aliens, instead of traveling across the universe to find life simply uses simulations to see where life is possible to develop.
That time you walked into the kitchen and immediately forgot what you went in to get? Your command alien simply canceled your action à la sims style
Posted on 10/10/20 at 9:58 am to beerJeep
quote:or when you go to the kitchen and open cabinets wanting a snack and then go to the fridge and open it and just stare.
We’re a simulation. The super smart and advanced aliens, instead of traveling across the universe to find life simply uses simulations to see where life is possible to develop.
That time you walked into the kitchen and immediately forgot what you went in to get? Your command alien simply canceled your action à la sims style
Posted on 10/10/20 at 10:02 am to nematocyte
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On the bull shite spectrum, I suppose you have a point. People that are credulous enough to believe one ridiculous thing tend to be credulous enough to believe 10 ridiculous things.
And I suppose if people knew all of your beliefs, it would contain ridiculous things as well which you don’t view as ridiculous.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 10:40 am to davyjones
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Interesting point, and raises the legitimate question as to whether there were past evolved societies and mankind much like we have now that were victims of those mass extinctions.
My question for you is where? On what planet? Humans view ourselves as the center/focus of it all (and we are to an extent) but we are just a branch of primates in the Phylum Chordata. Primates are recent and man is even more recent. Man has never been subjected to a mass extinction. We are very, very, very recent in a life history of over three billion years on the planet. Know that any advanced civilization outside earth will also be subject to their own events causing mass extinction.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 10:44 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Is there conclusive evidence that there haven't been prior primate->evolution-mass extinction cycles on earth, considering its age? I don't mean that rhetorically, I certainly don't have any level of specialized knowledge in the area. Thus my curiosity.
Posted on 10/10/20 at 11:05 am to davyjones
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I don't mean that rhetorically, I certainly don't have any level of specialized knowledge in the area. Thus my curiosity.
I understand. There is a continuous life history in the fossil record for the last 600 million plus years. About 540 million years ago life exploded in diversity. In Canada and China there are very limited occurrences of fossils of Chordates and Vertebrates. Very rare. Those are our most distant ancestors. The large vertebrates in Cretaceous (145 to 66 million years ago)for instance are the dinosaurs. Then 66 or so million years ago they went mostly extinct and some evolved into birds. After that time there is the rise in the next class of vertebrates, mammals (we included). But our mammalian man like ancestors are fairly recent the last 10 million years and less. And man (Homo sapiens) is on the order of 600 to 700,000 years old. I'm probably off on some of the year numbers but am mostly correct. If there was an advanced civilization previously we would seen their fossils, buildings, parking lots and ships and plastic in the fossil record. We are the pinnacle and end product of it all right now. Bear with me man because geology can be tedious and boring. I hope this helps.
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