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Why is lobbying legal?
Posted on 10/1/20 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 10/1/20 at 3:52 pm
I’ve never understood the difference between lobbying and bribery.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 3:53 pm to Qazy
There's a difference between lobbying and campaign contributions/reform.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 3:54 pm to Qazy
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I’ve never understood the difference between lobbying and bribery.
Then you need to spend some time on the google machine before you start asking questions.
Lobbying is out of control in this country, but its not inherently bribery.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 3:57 pm to Indefatigable
Here’s the first result from a google search of lobbying vs bribery. LINK
It literally says the main difference between lobbying and bribery is that lobbying is considered legal, while bribery is not.
What a clear and excellent distinction.
It literally says the main difference between lobbying and bribery is that lobbying is considered legal, while bribery is not.
What a clear and excellent distinction.
This post was edited on 10/1/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:00 pm to Qazy
Because the people who benefit from lobbying make the laws about lobbying.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:01 pm to Qazy
I can understand lobbying from domestic companies, corporations, etc......
How do we allow FOREIGN countries to give money to our politicians through lobbying and political donations?
How do we allow FOREIGN countries to give money to our politicians through lobbying and political donations?
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:02 pm to Qazy
I have a friend that is a lobbyist. I can’t say the industry, it is so specific. It’s not all bad, they are the voice of who they represent when people are trying to cram regulations thru that don’t take everyoneinto account.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:02 pm to big_tuna
lobbyist money that comes from foreign corporations and countries is a major issue that nobody wants to discuss.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:05 pm to Qazy
Lobbying has become a dirty word, and in some instances, it may be warranted. However, anybody should be able to express their concerns, wishes, and grievances to their (or any) elected officials.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:05 pm to Qazy
There is no difference in reality in only that the players are members of power that is mainly self ruled and self policed.
I don't know how it could ever be fairly regulated as the Romans didn't figure it out over a millennium.
I don't know how it could ever be fairly regulated as the Romans didn't figure it out over a millennium.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:08 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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Lobbying has become a dirty word, and in some instances, it may be warranted. However, anybody should be able to express their concerns, wishes, and grievances to their (or any) elected officials.
I doubt anybody objects to that. It’s accepting items of value that people have an issue with.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:11 pm to Qazy
So you don't believe in free speech? Maybe you don't like being able to petition your representatives? Which is it?
I'm confused.
I'm confused.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:13 pm to Qazy
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
That's why.
People get to complain to their elected officials. Those same people can also organize and hire someone to do that complaining on their behalf. That is lobbying.
As others have pointed out, you are probably thinking of campaign contributions particularly in exchange for support of a particular position. Which is illegal. Such actions might involve a lobbyist, but that isn't what the vast majority of lobbyists do. Most contributions go to people that already support a cause. For example, pro-union candidates get money from unions and pro-gun candidates get money from pro-gun organizations. Very rarely does someone change their position because of a contribution.
Your solution would be like banning free speech because someone might slander someone else. A massive overreaction that would curtain our rights. Screw that.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:20 pm to Qazy
The first amendment to the Constitution...."the right to petition the government for grievances."
People are ignorant.
People are ignorant.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:20 pm to Qazy
Whether lobbying is legal or illegal isn't even the problem...
The problem actually is related to the fact that we have allowed the federal government to grow so big and take so much of our money, that they have benefits to sell.
Shrink Government by closing, Hud, Transportation, Homeland Security, Department of Education, and the EPA...
And lobbying will decrease by 50%
Our federal government shouldn't be in the business of doing Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, etc
It should build interstates, railroads, and provide for the defense.
Basically anything more than that is unconstitutional and always has been
The problem actually is related to the fact that we have allowed the federal government to grow so big and take so much of our money, that they have benefits to sell.
Shrink Government by closing, Hud, Transportation, Homeland Security, Department of Education, and the EPA...
And lobbying will decrease by 50%
Our federal government shouldn't be in the business of doing Social Security, Welfare, Medicare, etc
It should build interstates, railroads, and provide for the defense.
Basically anything more than that is unconstitutional and always has been
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:21 pm to Flats
This is the 100% correct answer.
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Because the people who benefit from lobbying make the laws about lobbying
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:25 pm to Qazy
If you contact your councilman to fix your streetlights...that’s lobbying and should be praised.
If you are against a new development and you round up your entire neighborhood to contact your State Rep....lobbying again.
If instead of everyone calling the State Rep you hire someone else to call them to voice your concerns ...bingo, lobbying again.
The question isn’t why is lobbying illegal....it’s why are politicians allowed to lobby after they are term limited. That’s where influence peddling comes in to play.
If I were king for a day I would enact 2 changes that I feel would dramatically change the direction of the country:
1. Balanced budget amendment to constitution
2. Ban anyone who holds political office from work in the public sector - lobbying, government relations, government contracting, etc.
If you are against a new development and you round up your entire neighborhood to contact your State Rep....lobbying again.
If instead of everyone calling the State Rep you hire someone else to call them to voice your concerns ...bingo, lobbying again.
The question isn’t why is lobbying illegal....it’s why are politicians allowed to lobby after they are term limited. That’s where influence peddling comes in to play.
If I were king for a day I would enact 2 changes that I feel would dramatically change the direction of the country:
1. Balanced budget amendment to constitution
2. Ban anyone who holds political office from work in the public sector - lobbying, government relations, government contracting, etc.
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:25 pm to Qazy
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Why is lobbying legal?
Who writes the laws?
Posted on 10/1/20 at 4:27 pm to concrete_tiger
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I have a friend that is a lobbyist. I can’t say the industry, it is so specific. It’s not all bad, they are the voice of who they represent when people are trying to cram regulations thru that don’t take everyoneinto account.
And also the one who brings the politicos to 3 martini lunches, drops 5-6 figure sums into their sham charities, etc. All that can be pretty damn convincing.
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